Author Topic: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill  (Read 48845 times)

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did you even read the links I provided in my post or is your head so far stuck up your own ass you didn't see them?

Not really nitpicking if it was the bone of your argument.
yeah it really is
when i say it doesn't matter, i mean life would go on just the same.
if you saw a world where harriet tubman did and did not bring the slaves over, everything would be visibly the same.
if you saw a world where the american indians weren't forced west, you might notice some more american indians in the east. that's about it. everything would be the same. a world without the pyramids? no pyramids. a world without the holocaust? some more jews and happy palestinians. not really that big. i doubt it would affect any person here's personal life. life would go on either way.

did you even read the links I provided in my post or is your head so far stuck up your own ass you didn't see them?
"Under the guise of reform, many offices were doled out as rewards for political services. Newspaper editors who had championed Jackson's cause, some of them very unsavory characters, came in for special favor. His most appalling appointee was an old army comrade and political sycophant named Samuel Swartwout. Against all advice, Jackson made him collector of the New York City customhouse, where the government collected nearly half its annual revenue. In 1838, Swartwout absconded with more than $1 million, a staggering sum for that day.
Jackson denied that political criteria motivated his appointments, claiming honesty and efficiency as his only goals. Yet he accepted an officeholder's support for Adams as evidence of unfitness, and in choosing replacements he relied exclusively on recommendations from his own partisans. A Jackson senator from New York, William L. Marcy, defended Jackson's removals by proclaiming frankly in 1832 that in politics as in war, "to the victor belong the spoils of the enemy." Jackson was never so candid—or so cynical. Creating the "spoils system" of partisan manipulation of the patronage was not his conscious intention. Still, it was his doing."

That spoils system really did help, huh.

"But the astute stewardship of new Bank president Nicholas Biddle did much to repair its reputation in the 1820s. By 1828, when Jackson was first elected, the Bank had ceased to be controversial. Indeed, most informed observers deemed it indispensable."

Glad to know that Jackson was a total jackass too.

I'm not even going to bother with the wikipedia one because that's literally a listing of polls where people say their favorite president and it has no substance whatsoever.

yeah it really is
when i say it doesn't matter, i mean life would go on just the same.
if you saw a world where harriet tubman did and did not bring the slaves over, everything would be visibly the same.
if you saw a world where the american indians weren't forced west, you might notice some more american indians in the east. that's about it. everything would be the same. a world without the pyramids? no pyramids. a world without the holocaust? some more jews and happy palestinians. not really that big. i doubt it would affect any person here's personal life. life would go on either way.
my god you are really dumb aren't you

life would go on normally
not that hard to understand

life would go on normally
not that hard to understand
the iranian revolution? both gulf wars? 9/11? do those events ring any bells or whistles?

life would go on normally
not that hard to understand
you really, genuinely believe the world would be pretty much the same without the holocaust?

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ok first of all, a president relied on his party for advice - call the police!  secondly, yes Samuel Startwout was not a good choice but i wasn't going to cherry pick my sources.  the banks were not a good idea.  if you've ever studied them you'd recognize that they held too much influence and prevented the state banks from giving citizens decently sized loans because of the threats of the national bank.

and the wikipedia article is based on historian's opinions of the presidents so it does hold significant validity.  Jackson is a top 10 president

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this was still a time when most citizens were not comfortable with a large national government.  he was only doing what they wanted.  that's why he had such high ratings.  because he did what the people wanted.
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Yes, your personal life maybe wouldn't have changed.

Good for you. Too bad the personal lives of individuals (especially you) aren't significant as you think they are.

because it's completely irrelevant? what didn't happen doesn't have anything to do with what did.
It's completely relevant. If a goddamn butterfly can change the course of history then so can a mass forgetin murder. A good example is WWII. "Oh once the survivors are dead it wont really affect things later on" is an extremely incorrect statement. The US learned buttloads about war and combat and strategy that they likely still use to this day. In addition, cryptography was of a vital role in WWII, and the codebreaking that took place in the US during WWII and the work done by people like Alan Turing absolutely revolutionized the field of codemaking and codebreaking. If you like your passwords secure then you can thank them for that.

life would go on normally
not that hard to understand
nonnel i love you but the holocaust is what pulled america out of the depression

nonnel i love you but the holocaust is what pulled america out of the depression
the holocaust and ww2 are not the same thing


nonnel i love you but the holocaust is what pulled america out of the depression
false, america just got so pissed off when japan bombed pearl harbor that they started doing lots of work and that got them out of the depression

the holocaust and ww2 are not the same thing
the holocaust is what caused ww2 tho
false, america just got so pissed off when japan bombed pearl harbor that they started doing lots of work and that got them out of the depression
if japan hadnt been influenced by germany they wouldn't have attacked us though