Author Topic: Who here dislikes trans people?  (Read 51567 times)

What part of neurology has to do with what pronouns and label you want to be called?
I'm not addressing labels, I'm addressing "what is gender"
We barely know how the brain works, I don't think anyone can answer this. As for psychology...I think just about everyone would have some degree of irritation in constantly being labeled something they're not. The extremely aggressive "forget you for calling me the wrong thing, starfish" is another thing entirely and I'm not at all defending that extent of a response

Everybody's brain is unique, does that mean everyone on planet Earth has a unique '''gender'''?
Gender is a grouping for two large and distinguishable sets of differences. Everyone's brain is slightly unique, but not too that extent

For what reason did we suddenly have to break gender and biological love apart, when did we do it, and how?
I don't know these answers, but this previously posted link may have some information.
Furthermore, I don't see how this matters. They're separate, so they're separate. They might be an issue is there was something actually bad coming from this, but there isn't, except for "I don't like this and can't accept this "

biological love
Pssst, the psychological and genetic factors are biological too
This is why I said "physical love"

The literal definition of Gender is "The state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones)", so it's less about biological love and more about femininity and masculinity as far as I know.

As far as pronouns go, they're basically just that, pronouns. If I recall correctly, the common pronouns are masculine, feminine, neuter and common. A few other dictionaries I have on hand refer "Gender" as a synonym to "love", but there's enough to support that being factually incorrect.

So in conclusion, your love is your physical anatomy that is classified at birth, and your gender would be behavioral, psychological and cultural traits that relate to a love. I'm not an expert, but this is the conclusion I could draw.


I'm not addressing labels, I'm addressing "what is gender"
We barely know how the brain works, I don't think anyone can answer this. As for psychology...I think just about everyone would have some degree of irritation in constantly being labeled something they're not.

You contradicted yourself. You said you're not addressing labels and then you explained it as 'being labeled something they're not'. What possible reason could this 'irritation' have to exist? What are they being labeled as, and what should they be labeled as, and why should they, and why should that label mean anything to anyone but themselves?

Furthermore, I don't see how this matters. They're separate, so they're separate. They might be an issue is there was something actually bad coming from this, but there isn't, except for "I don't like this and can't accept this "

So that's just it? You say it is because you say it is?
This doesn't explain what gender is, it's like saying "trust me bro, it's real, you just don't know cuz you don't have it" and providing no further evidence. This is now how anything works. Just because something's alleged existence doesn't cause any real harm doesn't mean that it's okay to believe that it does actually exist. People who believe unicorns and bigfoot exist (and there are a lot of them) don't cause any harm, nothing bad comes out of them, and as a matter of fact they cause less of a media controversy than transgenders do. Does that mean they are right?

forget no, they're delusional. Until they actually come fourth with some substantial evidence for their claims, I don't see how I'm obliged to take them seriously.

The literal definition of Gender is "The state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones)", so it's less about biological love and more about femininity and masculinity as far as I know.

As far as pronouns go, they're basically just that, pronouns. If I recall correctly, the common pronouns are masculine, feminine, neuter and common. A few other dictionaries I have on hand refer "Gender" as a synonym to "love", but there's enough to support that being factually incorrect.

So in conclusion, your love is your physical anatomy that is classified at birth, and your gender would be behavioral, psychological and cultural traits that relate to a love. I'm not an expert, but this is the conclusion I could draw.

Why do we need to further label 'masculine' and 'feminine'? Both of those things are social constructs anyway, they mean nothing to anyone but yourself. It's ironic that you people would fight so hard against social 'gender roles' while simultaneously assigning yourself a gender based on those specific roles.

You can be a man and do the dishes and still be a man. Does being trans-female mean you have a weird itch in the back of your head that you constantly have to be doing dishes or wearing skirts or something?

I haven't read all 20 pages but ill say this anyways
gender is physiological and based of the chromosomes and natural development of a person; since gender dysphoria is harmful to the person that have it as well as unnatural and often caused by hormone preexposure/etc. it should classified as a mental illness.
Feeding peoples delusions does not help

Why do we need to further label 'masculine' and 'feminine'?

Because it's a method that describes a certain set behaviors appropriately? I don't know what else to tell you.


Both of those things are social constructs anyway, they mean nothing to anyone but yourself.

They mean nothing? They're the most popular accepted definition. It has a meaning to a substantial amount of people if it's the textbook definition.


It's ironic that you people would fight so hard against social 'gender roles' while simultaneously assigning yourself a gender based on those specific roles.

I don't know who you mean by "you people" considering I was citing a dictionary. I wouldn't consider pronouns to be gender roles, but then again I really have no loving clue beyond what I've read.


Does being trans-female mean you have a weird itch in the back of your head that you constantly have to be doing dishes or wearing skirts or something?

What's the sound of one hand clapping?


Because it's a method that describes a certain set behaviors appropriately? I don't know what else to tell you.

And 'masculine' and 'feminine' are not sufficient? We have to give people new pronouns, make up new 'genders' (whatever they are), all this damn effort just to describe how you like to do things that society as a whole has deemed girly or manly?

They mean nothing? They're the most popular accepted definition. It has a meaning to a substantial amount of people if it's the textbook definition.

It has a meaning to a substantial group of people on an individual basis. Why do I have to care how feminine any male is, why does it take a priority over biology? Why does it require labels, pronouns, and movements dedicated to celebrating them lol?

I don't know who you mean by "you people" considering I was citing a dictionary. I wouldn't consider pronouns to be gender roles, but then again I really have no loving clue beyond what I've read.

The general SJW movement as a whole. People who disagree that a woman's place is in the kitchen tending to children. Kinda weird to admit that you feel aligned to a certain stereotype when you also think said stereotype is loveist.

What's the sound of one hand clapping?

The sound does not exist, because it's an impossible scenario which cannot be explained. Checkmate.

I am going to say stupid stuff.

please, let me fix that for you.

please, let me fix that for you.

What are you even doing here?


Also the white kid that shot up a church recently got special treatment short of riding a limousine to the pd when he was arrested.
They did that to a black Hardcore Gamer too. There was no "special treatment." That's how they treat all high-risk targets to prevent them from being assassinated so they can face a trial.

And 'masculine' and 'feminine' are not sufficient? We have to give people new pronouns, make up new 'genders' (whatever they are), all this damn effort just to describe how you like to do things that society as a whole has deemed girly or manly?

That's not my job, I've never done that so I can't tell you why people do. You're arguing with the wrong person about this.


why does it take a priority over biology?

Because biological terms are concrete and cultural, mental and behavioral terms are abstract? There's not much more to it than that. You can't easily change how you function biologically; your gender is a little less set in stone than you love is by definition.

If you don't like how that works then that's your own problem bro


The general SJW movement as a whole. People who disagree that a woman's place is in the kitchen tending to children.

Citing a dictionary shouldn't lump me in a political movement. I don't have an opinion on gender roles and social justice.


Kinda weird to admit that you feel aligned to a certain stereotype when you also think said stereotype is loveist.

If we removed pronouns as a way to describe people's non-biological love, people like you would complain about how everything's too confusing or nothing's properly defined. There are some people who feel this gender thing is inadequate and make up their own genders but those sort of people are definitely not in the majority.


The sound does not exist, because it's an impossible scenario which cannot be explained. Checkmate.

The point is that your stupid question was answered with an equally stupid question

Just gonna leave these here as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity
Yes, they're real. They're not just something someone made up.

Because biological terms are concrete and cultural, mental and behavioral terms are abstract? There's not much more to it than that. You can't easily change how you function biologically; your gender is a little less set in stone than you love is by definition.

If you don't like how that works then that's your own problem bro

So, what are you actually saying here? Yes, your biology is set in stone. It is hard, factual evidence of how you develop as a human being. This is why people actually take biological love seriously.

And yes, your 'gender' is abstract. Because nobody knows what the forget it's supposed to be. It's infinitely confusing. It's essentially just a label that you give yourself because you say you 'think' a certain way and yet nobody can tell if it's legitimate or not because nobody can climb inside your mind to see if you're actually crazy or if you just want to be a special snowflake in order to whore attention. Apparently people can be 'genderfluid' which means that their, uh, behavioral mental masculine/feminine psychobabble complex can change at any point for any reason and changes any amount of anything in their mind. Also if you disagree you're a transphobe.

How the forget is this supposed to mean anything to another human being. If you wanna give yourself some cool label so you can feel unique, go for it. Don't expect me to let you into the female bathroom for it.

Citing a dictionary shouldn't lump me in a political movement. I don't have an opinion on gender roles and social justice.

I was making a point. I'm not talking about you. You're insignificant to the topic at hand, I'm talking about the concept as a whole, not what you think of it.

If we removed pronouns as a way to describe people's non-biological love, people like you would complain about how everything's too confusing or nothing's properly defined. There are some people who feel this gender thing is inadequate and make up their own genders but those sort of people are definitely not in the majority.

I don't get it. I don't see why I would become more confused by the removal of useless pronouns used to describe useless labels that I have no way of determining without explicitly asking.

The point is that your stupid question was answered with an equally stupid question

Ironically enough the question was originally formatted to reflect the information you'd given me thus far.