certain people in VerticalHorizon's drama topic (AFRAIDANNA, NAL, TABOO, BDARTY)

[IkeTheGeneric]

you're right, i suppose at the time my lack of prior experience with zedrow led me to feel excessively forgiving towards him

That's not the point. Even after people kept saying they doubt the story was true because of zedrow's track record, you continued to criticize them instead of inquiring about who zedrow was and what he's done before. You only defended him because you have a titanic holier-than-thou attitude

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[Bdarty]

As soon as I saw my name I went ahead and read this drama. Dude keep it one topic. Also I have my views. Saying "These guys don't understand certain people" does nothing. It does not change our views. You're just raging at us four because you want people to give some attention towards you. I have my views & opinoins and you have yours. Let it be.

[Ipquarx]

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To add on to this, I have no idea what swat was talking about when he said "and if further entitled, to others' bodies"

Transgender/loveual people don't force other people to change their bodies. w0t? Also, look up the process of love change surgery. I'm pretty sure the body can handle it just fine unless you have some sort of serious immune deficiency.

[Planr]

"This isn't a blatant hypocrisy because what I'm saying is true!"

???????? Where exactly is the hypocrisy?

It's literally what you said. I don't know how you can call that a 'strawman' when it's what you wrote. What am I modifying or changing exactly?

Hmm, lets see, you say I said "respect is freely handed out to everyone" and that I literally said those words. Let's go back through my posts and see if that's true, shall we?
http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=281113.msg8413695#msg8413695
Hmmm nope. No mention of respect at all. Just talking about being nice towards people, which is different from respect.
http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=281113.msg8413758#msg8413758
Second post, talking about forgiveness, nothing about respect there.
http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?action=profile;u=41548;sa=showPosts;start=30
The rest of my posts in that thread, none of which even mention the word respect.

The straw man stands, you're not very good at this whole accusation thing.

I get it now. There's a difference between 'respect' and automatically exonerating people of responsibility.

The second one is even more stupid.

The "second one" is your own false presupposition that I first believed he was lying about his mother. I only believed he was lying after he started comitting forum Self Delete. Even then I still forgave him, but I by no means ignored the fact that he was responsible for his own forum Self Delete.

[bestguy22]

you REALLY did not need to make this topic. it only stirred up what was left of the storm.
keep it in one topic, so you can make it worse there.

[SWAT One]

I'm going to attempt to educate you with my knowledge on the subject of transgender(?-ism)
afaik/iirc humans have both estrogen and testosterone at birth and the xx/xy chromosome pairs determine if you get a higher amount of estrogen/testosterone respectively
all the hormones do is change how you look on the outside from a small amount to a very large amount and change some of your functions (thinking, fat storing, etc.) when transgender people are taking them

My point was referring to the balance (or lack of) that was administered.  For instance, hormones and chemical theory affect things like sleep schedules, alertness, temperament, body temperature, metabolism, sense of hunger/thirst.  Altering these can be dicey, and yes, the body can adjust, but it's still a higher risk game to play.  Additionally, I might add, it sounds like the pharmaceutical industry is taking in dough over this.

i don't understand how you got skeletal system from any of this as human skeletons, even though they are not built for this, can support weights up to like 500 pounds
of course it's a lot of stress, but the body adapts to it

You are right that the skeletal system can support a large weight, but also any heightened weight over time.  Women who have larger than average breats commonly have back problems either continually, or just later in life.  Women who are pregnant often have back problems as well.  Even if the problem isn't pronounced or significant, a prolonged irregularity can put stress on the body, and can even cause arthritis in some cases.

that's not how transgender surgery works
the genitals are inverted or everted and turned into pseudo-genitals of the opposite love and the surgeons rerout everything

Fake it 'till you make it I guess.  Oh well, I can't really tell people what to do with their bodies, but I'll still have an opinion on it.  Thank you for enlightening me on this; I didn't know this before.

This isn't how transgender works. You don't just wake up one day and go "wow i rly want to be a girl now"

I was more referring to sentiment held over time, and my demonstration was the point at which one decides to act upon it.  Sorry if I was unclear.

You don't just decide "I'm going to do it today" and go down to the corner store and pick up your hormone pills then stop by a surgeon. It's a process that requires (depending on the doctor; most do because ethics) getting the approval of a psychiatrist and physician who are going to determine if this is the best for you.

This is what I said in my cautionary statement.  It's often a matter of ethics, and it's something to be cautious about, though the statement itself tackles a cultural mentality, not just transgenderism.

To add on to this, I have no idea what swat was talking about when he said "and if further entitled, to others' bodies"

Transgender/loveual people don't force other people to change their bodies. w0t?

That's why I said this:

and I am not referring to just transloveualism

I was attacking the cultural mindset of "You can go anything to your body and it's okay."  Some drugs will seriously mess you up to the point where you lose the sense of who you are.  Driving drunk is putting yourself at risk.  Driving drunk with others as passengers is putting others at risk.  In this statement, I am not attacking anyone in particular, but rather those who do harm or put others at rist and uppon being accused, respond with something of the likes of "it's my body; I can do what I want." or "Mind your own business." or "it's my life, not yours."  while they are right to an extent, I believe the line needs to be drawn somewhere.

[Foxscotch]

It is a level of ungratefulness of their own body that concerns me.

like it is a gift that somebody gave to u
lol

[-Jetz-]

I was attacking the cultural mindset of "You can go anything to your body and it's okay."  Some drugs will seriously mess you up to the point where you lose the sense of who you are.  Driving drunk is putting yourself at risk.  Driving drunk with others as passengers is putting others at risk.  In this statement, I am not attacking anyone in particular, but rather those who do harm or put others at rist and uppon being accused, respond with something of the likes of "it's my body; I can do what I want." or "Mind your own business." or "it's my life, not yours."  while they are right to an extent, I believe the line needs to be drawn somewhere.

That doesn't really apply when the thing being done to the body is a tested procedure prescribed by a licensed psychiatrist who has been brown townyzing the person in question, and performed by a qualified surgeon. It's not a choice the individual can irresponsibly can make on their own.

[SWAT One]

like it is a gift that somebody gave to u
lol

While there are the blind, deaf, and physicslly and mentally handicapped, you have a fully-functioning body and am telling me that having that should go unnoticed.  Even if you're, not religious, it helps to count your blessings.

That doesn't really apply when the thing being done to the body is a tested procedure prescribed by a licensed psychiatrist who has been brown townyzing the person in question, and performed by a qualified surgeon. It's not a choice the individual can irresponsibly can make on their own.

As I mentioned probably three or four times now, that address does not exclusively address transloveualism, but addresses a cultural mindset, mostly focusing of the stigmas attatched to it.

[-Jetz-]

As I mentioned probably three or four times now, that address does not exclusively address transloveualism, but addresses a cultural mindset, mostly focusing of the stigmas attatched to it.

As long as transloveualism is somewhere on the list of things you're referring to with your broad statements, my point stands. If it's not, then you're going off topic.

[Foxscotch]

While there are the blind, deaf, and physicslly and mentally handicapped, you have a fully-functioning body and am telling me that having that should go unnoticed.  Even if you're, not religious, it helps to count your blessings.

just because other people have it worse does not mean I need to avoid doing certain things with it so that some whiny babies won't.... whine

[SWAT One]

As long as transloveualism is somewhere on the list of things you're referring to with your broad statements, my point stands. If it's not, then you're going off topic.

I wouldn't exactly agree as long as autogynephilia is recognized on a scholarly level as a paraphilia, and paraphilia, by scholarly definition a mental disorder.  Whether or not it is tested by practicing professionals is one thing, but the type of treatment to follow that is what is in question.  Other paraphilias such as child enthusiasm and sadomasochism do harm to others, and I believe that I speak for many in saying that these individuals are to sone degree messed up in the head.  However, transloveualism/transgenderism is more docile towards others, but there is a gray area regarding their own stability, and the fact that a licensed therapist is recommended by the authoritative sources to have an active role in this process is a bad sign on its own.

just because other people have it worse does not mean I need to avoid doing certain things with it so that some whiny babies won't.... whine

So are you saying you reserve the right to self-irreverence?  It doesn't make sense why anyone would hold that over themselves.

[Headcrab Zombie]

paraphilia, by scholarly definition a mental disorder.  

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Just as in the case of any other thing, something is only diagnosable as a disorder if it causes distress/harm to themselves or others.
child enthusiasm is harmful, sure.
Sadomasochism is... debatable, as long as partners are consenting

[Headcrab Zombie]

Sadomasochism is... debatable, as long as partners are consenting

No edit: also depending on whether they're just inflicting pain, or actual physical harm (like breaking the skin and stuff like that). I suspect the latter might be illegal, but I don't know anything about that subject

[Ipquarx]

Sadomasochism on its own is not enough to call someone "mentally ill" or "messed up in the head," considering the fact that most of the time a masochist doesn't want to inflict pain on someone who doesn't want it and most of the time a masochist doesn't want it unless they consent to it. Sadomasochism =/= lack of morals and it also doesn't necessarily interfere with a persons ability to function properly.