Author Topic: fitness motivator's rant about overwieght and obese people  (Read 2653 times)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXDEe_bg9lM

So this guy got really pissed off with the fact that there are too many obese and overweight people today (which is very loving vague as I don't see that many overweight people in public and he doesn't specify which community or society he is talking about) and he decided to "motivate" people in the Gunnery Sargent Hartman tough guy sort of way, as if every obese person is a private Pyle and that he is Hartman going insane and screaming at them. This guy thinks he is a motivator to get fat people off their asses and telling them to stop being lazy and all that stuff. Now not all people are fat from eating mac Donald's all day some people are born with diseases that makes them overweight and they can't get fit in anyway possible.

This guy does not accept overweight people ANYWHERE. He says that we should accept everyone like the way we treat ourselves but then goes on to saying "I'm not accepting an obese person". Okay everyone needs to accept each other and treat each other with respect. Love your neighbor as you're self. I don't care if you like a show about little pony's, if you dress up as an animal, if you like Japanese cartoons, I do not give a forget unless you go over the top to where it makes me uncomfortable. Now you might think I am a bit hypocritical for saying that since I hate the people that post about minions and all that stuff on facebook and the media, but that is something different.

Now if you want to motivate someone you need discipline because shouting like a madman isn't going to get anyone anywhere. You need to be calm and cool, you can't do this it isn't the army and this guy is from the army.

I'm not obese or anything, hell I loving love sports and I do loads of exercise to keep my self fit, but this guy really is looking at the thing from a bad view. And if there is anything that I said that was a bit dumb then sorry, I sometimes chat a bunch of stuff but if this is how people like to treat each other then the world is pretty forgeted up

what are your opinions? and please do not start a flame war or argue about something irrelevant, lets be civilized here

/discuss

some people are born with diseases that makes them overweight and they can't get fit in anyway possible.

this is untrue period short of them literally being a para/quadriplegic which is unrelated to food intake

Okay everyone needs to accept each other and treat each other with respect.

no i dont. why should i have to respect anyone i dont want to
« Last Edit: July 25, 2015, 11:23:28 PM by Kearn »

i enjoy a healthy lifestyle and essentially support this in all ways.



some people are born with diseases that makes them overweight and they can't get fit in anyway possible.
keyword "some." you'd be surprised at the number of obese people I've met who just so happen to be part of that "some." the fact is that fat people are fat because they're irresponsible about how they take of themselves, not because of any genetic disability. I have a friend who actually does have what is most commonly cited as being a thyroid problem and he's a buff dude because he works out pretty much every day

it's really just dudes projecting their own insecurities onto other people. they want other people to feel bad about themselves so they can feel good about how they look. afaic, you have to care about the person before you care about their health. i wouldn't care if Riddler was eating too many donuts because i don't care for Riddler. if my uncle was morbidly obese, i'd want him to eat healthy. but feeling like you wanna puke when you see someone who you don't think is beautiful? you're soundin like a villain.

and hey: eat whatever you want, cus i'd rather hang out with kevin smith or patrice o'neal then spend a second with this boring narcissisus. even in his forgetin manifesto he has nothing interesting to say. he's just fit.

honestly, I'm fat and have bad metabolism

but even I know that I can get fit, and am trying atm

I don't find fat people disgusting but I agree with everything this guy is saying.
People are just too lazy and apathetic to do anything that isn't easy and instantly rewarding.
The only time I ever eat fast food is when I'm away from home and hungover as hell, it is so outrageously unhealthy and I feel like stuff after eating it.

So this guy got really pissed off with the fact that there are too many obese and overweight people today (which is very loving vague as I don't see that many overweight people in public and he doesn't specify which community or society he is talking about)
Why is that not something to be angry about? We've created a culture where people maintain a diet that will cause them suffering down the line. It seems pretty natural to be unsettled by that.

Also, 35.7% of the US population is obese. Whether or not you've observed this personally has absolutely no bearing on that fact. It's just true.

This guy thinks he is a motivator to get fat people off their asses and telling them to stop being lazy and all that stuff.
"Oh no, he's encouraging people to live a better lifestyle so that they don't have to have their feet lopped off in their mid 50s. What a bigot!"

Now not all people are fat from eating mac Donald's all day some people are born with diseases that makes them overweight and they can't get fit in anyway possible.
The 4.5% of Americans with hypothyroidism and the even smaller groups of people with rare genetic disorders and the like cannot even come close to accounting for the 35.7% of Americans who are obese. The Mayo Clinic itself calls inactivity the primary cause of obesity.

This guy does not accept overweight people ANYWHERE. He says that we should accept everyone like the way we treat ourselves but then goes on to saying "I'm not accepting an obese person".
What I've gathered from actually watching the video and listening to what he said is that he's not telling anyone to discriminate against fat people or treat them badly because of their life choices. He's telling people not to become complacent about a behavior that's indisputably terrible for your health. You wouldn't be complaining about his video if he was trying to get people to stop smoking or to stop abusing drugs, but because he's encouraging people to have a healthier diet and exercise, he's in the wrong?

""We should accept everybody". You go right the forget ahead. You go right ahead and support that unhealthy lifestyle and be an enabler and watch them eat themselves into an early grave. Or you can look at them and say, "look, if you need help, come to me". I'm sitting here offering you my services. Telling you how to eat right, how to exercise, and get yourself into a healthy body and not have to deal with these bullstuff issues down the line".

This just sounds like a person who cares for public health.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2015, 11:40:29 PM by SeventhSandwich »

some people are born with diseases that makes them overweight and they can't get fit in anyway possible.
this is just an excuse people use so they don't have to work out

obesity and malnutrition is not something that should be celebrated


ALSO RELEVANT, for the point about some people being unable to lose weight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGLwzbvx4S4

most of the time its just another excuse

this is just an excuse people use so they don't have to work out
Not necessarily true. Having glandular problems can make it nearly impossible for some people to lose weight.

Also, there's rare genetic disorders like Prader-Willi syndrome where the biological mechanisms for controlling diet do not function properly.


meh, I'm slightly overweight but I've been exercising to build muscle (bear-mode) so I don't really mind some shame motivation.

personally, I think that people who aren't willing to make changes should just suffer the consequences. You eat that extra McDouble, I'll send flowers.

Not necessarily true. Having glandular problems can make it nearly impossible for some people to lose weight.

Also, there's rare genetic disorders like Prader-Willi syndrome where the biological mechanisms for controlling diet do not function properly.
yeah does every tumblrina and their mother have prader will syndrome i don't think so.

people just live their life behind excuses lol

full disclosure: im overweight

im for fat acceptance in that i dont want people to judge one another for their health
HAES is stupid
pretending being fat is still "beautiful" is also stupid (instead of pretending being obese and having body hair is beautiful, people should be focusing on emphasizing that you can have value without being a model)

that being said my health is not anyone's business but mine and my loved ones'
and there are a million different circumstances that can produce an overweight individual, it can be more complex than "that person is a lazy slob with no motivation"
for these reasons i think one should withhold judgment

yeah does every tumblrina and their mother have prader will syndrome i don't think so.
Of course not, but that doesn't mean we should make some kind of blanket statement here.

full disclosure: im overweight

im for fat acceptance in that i dont want people to judge one another for their health
HAES is stupid
pretending being fat is still "beautiful" is also stupid (instead of pretending being obese and having body hair is beautiful, people should be focusing on emphasizing that you can have value without being a model)

that being said my health is not anyone's business but mine and my loved ones'
and there are a million different circumstances that can produce an overweight individual, it can be more complex than "that person is a lazy slob with no motivation"
for these reasons i think one should withhold judgment
this is the right way to look at this debate