Windows 7 vs Windows 10

[Oasis]

It still exists, sorry.

Do you have proof of that? :P

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[SpongeCraft1212]

[insert people tin-hatting complaining here]

I'm planning on upgrading to Windows 10 soon, so as far as I know, it's Windows 7 for now.

[Ipquarx]

Do you have proof of that? :P

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx
Under the section "Reasons We Share Personal Data" click "Read More."

It will say "Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to: [...]" and so on. There are the legal weasel words I've mentioned before, making the reasons listed after it redundant, they don't need them.

[insert people tin hatting here]

I'm planning on upgrading to Windows 10 soon, so as far as I know, it's Windows 7 for now.

It's not tin hatting if it's true :P

[Decepticon]

ok I'm not big on privacy, trust me I'd be willing to give whatever the forget if the government, police department, sheriffs whatever if they wanted me to

but the 'if you're not a terrorist/criminal you have nothing to hide' is seriously loving stupid, and sounds like something from 1984

[Trymos]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1386/28/1386287176319.png

But this article explains about how you're giving your credit card details to someone shady when compared to someone trustworthy like microsoft.

Do you think a big and well built company like microsoft will leak any of your details out to shady sources?

The issue is, if ANYONE were to ever have the Microsoft server (which people have *ahem* lizard squad) Then they would have EVERYTHING of yours, your passwords, your Emails, YOUR BANK NUMBERS, YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY, your everything mang.

And you're assuming that Microsoft wouldn't have their servers equipped with security similar to the US governments? Lizard Squad is a bunch of script kiddies and they're not capable of doing stuff.

I personally think this is the dumbest loving response people give when discussing privacy issues. I'm sure you'd like to have someone leaning over your shoulder all day long as you idle away on your PC shouting loving advertisements to every little thing he thinks you take interest in.  Also knowing personal information about things you are embarrassed about or would like to hide that are harmless would grant people or companies the power to extort. Privacy is a big deal. Small business computers can also contain store data and passwords to things you would otherwise not want compromised. Computers are our modern diaries. Playing the privacy-tough-guy only makes you look like an idiot.

Then why would you trust said small companies with your details in the first place? Don't give them the details and you wont have to worry about said details getting compromised.

And microsoft is a trustworthy big company, assuming that they would even be able to extort anybody is a stupid assumption to make.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard this

You do realize that people have actual reasons for not liking it, right?

First off, it's an invasion of privacy regardless of whether or not you're doing something wrong. This is exactly why I haven't upgraded and I don't do anything illegal.
Second, hackers. Hackers are a huge problem in todays society and they've impersonated Microsoft before, and they can do it again. All it takes is one legitimate looking request to your computer and suddenly all your files, emails, passwords and history are in the hands of someone who could easily abuse them to exort, drain, or otherwise harm you.
Third, you're being a real ass here. Stop trying to peer pressure people into being okay with extremely invasive practices that they don't want to encourage or be a part of. You're not the only human on earth, buckoo.
It still exists, sorry.

Again, how long ago has it been when microsoft last got hacked (or hell, not even hacked: impersonated.)?
You're a human being, what's preventing some creepy ass dude just eavesdropping on your conversations or following you to your house to know a lot of your details there? I don't understand your point here.

[Oasis]

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx
Under the section "Reasons We Share Personal Data" click "Read More."

It will say "Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to: [...]" and so on. There are the legal weasel words I've mentioned before, making the reasons listed after it redundant, they don't need them.

It's not tin hatting if it's true :P

Except that they run an email and cloud service that would require access to your email and files in order to function. I was saying that they aren't recording everything a user is typing, they aren't constantly reporting stuff every 15 minutes, etc.

[Harm94]

I'm waiting for the day some tech company raids some guys computer and sells the data to some trusted partner and gets traded so and so fourth. Said guy had a picture of him on the computer of him smoking crack off of a hooker and that image is used on a bill board in his town where he is considered a highly respected person. That'll be the day someone actually cared about their privacy.

[Nomel]

tin hatting

tin foiling

so is this the new ebin maymay to disregard any care for individual privacy?

a czech guy did an in-depth brown townysis into windows 10's complete lack of privacy, which i linked to before. I don't know why you seem to think these features won't be/aren't present

[Mr.Blocko]

And you're assuming that Microsoft wouldn't have their servers equipped with security similar to the US governments? Lizard Squad is a bunch of script kiddies and they're not capable of doing stuff.

They are capable, they've done it before and compromised accounts on PSN and Xbox live (MICROSOFT OWNED COUGH COUGH) They also hacked Malaysia airlines

[Paperclip²]

The issue is, if ANYONE were to ever have the Microsoft server (which people have *ahem* lizard squad) Then they would have EVERYTHING of yours, your passwords, your Emails, YOUR BANK NUMBERS, YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY, your everything mang.

this is so false. if anyone were to ever have access to Microsoft's database, they might be able to view these things that you stated...

...that's if you're stupid enough to put all of this information on your computer.

furthermore, having Microsoft's server IP addresses, which "lizard squad" did, gives them no sort of information about anyone until they successfully breach any database that Microsoft might be in possession of.

[Tayasaurus]

Then why would you trust said small companies with your details in the first place? Don't give them the details and you wont have to worry about said details getting compromised.

Well first off you didn't read that correctly at all. My concern is for the data of small businesses getting stolen. Second of all, not giving them the details doesn't work if they keep setting up programs and applications in products that collect loving data genius.

Except that they run an email and cloud service that would require access to your email and files in order to function. I was saying that they aren't recording everything a user is typing, they aren't constantly reporting stuff every 15 minutes, etc.

You're missing the point. The fact is they still have the ability to access data when they want for any reason. Thats a right companies shouldn't have.

[Oasis]

so is this the new ebin maymay to disregard any care for individual privacy?

a czech guy did an in-depth brown townysis into windows 10's complete lack of privacy, which i linked to before. I don't know why you seem to think these features won't be/aren't present

How about you, the person leveling claims that Windows 10 is secretly gobbling up mountains of data on its users, actually support said claims with a reputable source?

[Mr.Blocko]

...that's if you're stupid enough to put all of this information on your computer.

Windows 10 apparently keylogs, also LOOK HOW SCARY THEY ARE!

WHEW, LAD!

[Oasis]

Windows 10 apparently keylogs

No, it doesn't.

[Ipquarx]

Again, how long ago has it been when microsoft last got hacked (or hell, not even hacked: impersonated.)?
You're a human being, what's preventing some creepy ass dude just eavesdropping on your conversations or following you to your house to know a lot of your details there? I don't understand your point here.

Quite recently a virus impersonated Microsoft-signed drivers to be able to get into your system and infect it, being completely undetectable to antiviruses. That's an impersonation, and that's just the tip of the iceberg of what hackers can do. They're constantly getting smarter and smarter, and I can guarantee you whatever system Microsoft has in place is just as crackable as that.

The fact that people have the ability to personally stalk without you knowing has nothing to do with the fact that Microsoft can spy on you when you willingly install their software on your machine. Posting that excerpt allows people to make the decision of whether or not to upgrade for themselves in much the way that if you knew who was stalking you, you could call the police on them.

Except that they run an email and cloud service that would require access to your email and files in order to function. I was saying that they aren't recording everything a user is typing, they aren't constantly reporting stuff every 15 minutes, etc.

They don't even mention where the emails are coming from. They could be grabbing it from the browser for all you know. That's the big thing: You don't know what they do with your data, and you have no control over it.

Many people have a "Better safe than sorry" attitude on life, some people simply prefer their own privacy. Some have secrets that they need to protect. That's their perogative. I'm not trying to force anyone here to not upgrade if they don't want to, I'm simply allowing people to better inform themselves so they can make a decision. I'm stating the facts. If you don't like the facts, that's not my problem.