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Ok, for the people who keep loving bitching about the privacy and bloatware on Windows 10:
https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking

This disables all the privacy invasion you can't disable manually.

This blocks their tracking servers, diagnostics tracking, their tracking services, and Telemetry.

Now you don't have to worry about our privacy being invaded.

I don't even know if this was posted yet.

This isn't hard to pull off when you're executing said file. If hackers are so capable then why aren't they so widespread and why haven't way more companies been hacked yet?

Unless you don't know they're even stalking you in the first place. Besides I was making the argument that your "personal" info isn't as personal as you think.
And you know they wont do something bad with the data. Why would they?
Also, to me you're stating opinions, not facts.
The problem is the user doesn't know it's going on. Nobody would willingly put a virus on their computer if they knew it was bad or that it was a virus. Same thing with malicious packets. Hacking events ARE extremely widespread and lots of companies have been hacked in 2015 alone. You just don't know where to look.

https://www.privacyrights.org/data-breach (Some of them are inside jobs, but that technically counts as well)
In fact, there have been several just this month.

"Unless you don't know they're stalking you in the first place" is equivalent to someone who doesn't want the invasive practices of Windows 10, but uses it anyways because they haven't been informed of the invasive practices in the first place. Again, informing them allows them to avoid it in much the same way that if you knew who was stalking you, you could call the police on them.

The problem is you don't know exactly what files and communications they're collecting, you don't know what they're doing with it (And they could be doing anything they wanted), and you can't control anything in the process. Many people simply aren't comfortable with that, and many people don't trust Microsoft. Many people don't trust anyone with their private information. Again, that's their choice. Trying to force or peer pressure someone into doing something they're not okay with is richardish on many levels and I sense that's what you're trying to do.

Again, I'm only stating what I've found on their official website on their official privacy policy. They chose to put the fact that they spy on their users in their official website in their official privacy policy.

Ok, for the people who keep loving bitching about the privacy and bloatware on Windows 10:
https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking

This disables all the privacy invasion you can't disable manually.

This blocks their tracking servers, diagnostics tracking, their tracking services, and Telemetry.

Now you don't have to worry about our privacy being invaded.

I don't even know if this was posted yet.
It still doesn't disable the mandatory disclosures that Microsoft has put in place. Nowhere is it stated where it is in the system, so more than likely it's been missed.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2015, 04:47:30 PM by Ipquarx »

Let's just leave the doors to our homes unlocked because people don't get robbed.
This is a horrible brown townogy because a huge, respected company is far less likely then leaving your door unlocked to everybody expecting to not get robbed.

Microsoft doesn't have a track record of doing scummy acts. However, robbery does happen constantly. They're two entirely different things.

...that's if you're stupid enough to put all of this information on your computer.

Operating systems should be held to certain standards concerning privacy and personal safety. The fact that "you're stupid if you have personal information on your personal computer" is an argument that's been posted says a lot

I don't understand how you guys are so lenient on such obvious invasions of privacy. That information that's being given away so callously is being sold by people who don't have the technical skills to protect the information they're trolling for in the first place. stuff can and will go wrong.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2015, 04:48:28 PM by IkeTheGeneric »

The problem is the user doesn't know it's going on. Nobody would willingly put a virus on their computer if they knew it was bad or that it was a virus. Hacking events ARE extremely widespread and lots of companies have been hacked in 2015 alone. You just don't know where to look.

https://www.privacyrights.org/data-breach (Some of them are inside jobs, but that technically counts as well)
In fact, there have been several just this month.

"Unless you don't know they're stalking you in the first place" is equivalent to someone who doesn't want the invasive practices of Windows 10, but uses it anyways because they haven't been informed of the invasive practices in the first place. Again, informing them allows them to avoid it in much the same way that if you knew who was stalking you, you could call the police on them.

The problem is you don't know exactly what files and communications they're collecting, you don't know what they're doing with it (And they could be doing anything they wanted), and you can't control anything in the process. Many people simply aren't comfortable with that, and many people don't trust Microsoft. Many people don't trust anyone with their private information. Again, that's their choice. Trying to force or peer pressure someone into doing something they're not okay with is richardish on many levels and I sense that's what you're trying to do.

Again, I'm only stating what I've found on their official website on their official privacy policy. They chose to put the fact that they spy on their users in their official website in their official privacy policy.
It still doesn't disable the mandatory disclosures that Microsoft has put in place. Nowhere is it stated where it is in the system, so more than likely it's been missed.
Can we have trustworthy sources rather then some privacy rights propaganda?

You DO know what they're sending: emails keystrokes etc etc.

And I'm not trying to force or peer pressure, do you know what you're talking about?

Operating systems should be held to certain standards concerning privacy and personal safety. The fact that "you're stupid if you have personal information on your personal computer" is an argument that's been posted says a lot
I agree, but it doesn't defend the argument of privacy like you need your "personal" info.

This is a horrible brown townogy because a huge, respected company is far less likely then leaving your door unlocked to everybody expecting to not get robbed.

Microsoft doesn't have a track record of doing scummy acts. However, robbery does happen constantly. They're two entirely different things.
Because large corporations have your interests at heart. Right.

Except no. Allowing companies to implement this to the point where it becomes a socially acceptable thing is not ok. No matter how much of an upstanding company Microsoft is doesn't change the fact that the world continues to change and with that peoples values. Microsoft is run and controlled by people and there are no excuses to leaving a heaping pile of temptation because "There is no reason to abuse it."

Ok, despite what I just posted, I'm slowly going onto Taya and Ipquarx's side. Some of things you're posting aren't even making sense, Trymos.

Can we have trustworthy sources rather then some privacy rights propaganda?
You do realize it cites sources for every single one right? Literally every single one. It's not some propaganda place, it's just a collection of data breach events that have happened.

I thought it was said it doesn't collect keystrokes? I don't even see that mentioned anywhere in their privacy policy. If you insist, that arguably makes it worse. You also don't know when or why they're doing it because it's completely hidden from you.

I agree, but it doesn't defend the argument of privacy like you need your "personal" info.

If you honestly don't understand why personal information should be kept private then there is no hope in the first place

This is the fifth time i've stated this: Why would they do something bad with the information? It's encrypted for a good reason.

If they do this and get caught in even the smallest of ways then there are huge punishments. And apple patented a lot of the stuff before microsoft even tried. Apple was just being ridiculous.
If you're worried about microsoft stealing your blueprints then just switch to linux or something.
First of all, if their is something financial to be gained, someone is going to gain it.

Second part with your logic is a catch 22 because not using windows or talking bad about it makes you like a suspicious person trying to hide something. The alternative is that you play fat, dumb, happy, take everything for granted, and just assume everything will be fine and that approach fails all the time throughout history. Remember the Titanic? It was supposed to be unsinkable. Remember the first world war? It was supposed be over by Christmas. Remember world war 2? Peace in our time had been achieved. Remember Vietnam? It was only supposed to be a limited conflict. Remember Watergate? Elected officials are responsible people we should trust. Remember The Soviet Afghan war? Training religious crazies wont turn on us. Remember the Invasion of Iraq? We supposed to be find WMDs. Remember Afghanistan? We weren't nation building, Bin Laden hiding wasn't in Pakistan. The thing is that people make promises and guarantees, however there is no force to actually ensure that those things are always guaranteed. That force usually comes from a small group of concerned people who are brushed aside because they were thought to been worrying too much.

Sure this stuff has been going on with Windows for a long time, but there will also be people like Ipquarx, Taya, me who will be concerned about our right and our security.


i have a feeling many people may be moving to linux sooner or later

i have a feeling many people may be moving to linux sooner or later

maybe if linux didn't have widespread compatibility issues

i have a feeling many people may be moving to linux sooner or later
Honestly in the privacy regard, apple is better than Microsoft. I've read their privacy policy, nothing of the sort that Microsoft has in it.

i have a feeling many people may be moving to linux sooner or later
systemd is a botnet -_-
nowhere is safe