Feminism for a grade.

[Tokthree]

i skipped over the "english class" part of the OP and figured it was a sociology class where this would actually be relevant but uhh... why is this relevant in an english class? i guess if you're studying a piece of literature where it's relevant?

in any case there's nothing inherently wrong with any of this. the only problem i have is that it doesn't appear to be an objective study on gender in terms of culture and media, but if you're specifically studying feminist literature that's not so much a problem

also listen to seventh because he's right as usual

As far as my understanding of high school-grade English curriculums goes (though my knowledge may be irrelevant as I'm in the UK and not the USA) it's not actually about the subject of feminism, it's just a socially relevant topic that, chances are, every student will have at least some form of opinion on. They pick the most relevant and thought-provoking topic they can that isn't too complicated or involved as the subject of the "Speaking & Listening" module of the English curriculum to ensure that as many students as possible are able to participate in the module and thusly get a good grade.

Whether or not your opinions on the subject align with everyone else's is irrelevant, the purpose of the unit is to test the student's ability to listen to and keep track of people's opinions in a group discussion with multiple people whilst putting forth their own opinions on the subject. Participation is all that matters and the more enthusiastic you are about your opinion the better the grade you are likely to receive for that module and, in my experience, if you manage to link the discussion to another relevant topic without actually changing the topic of discussion you will get an even better grade. It's literally about your ability to communicate through speech using the English language and nothing else.

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[Oasis]

As far as my understanding of high school-grade English curriculums goes (though my knowledge may be irrelevant as I'm in the UK and not the USA) it's not actually about the subject of feminism, it's just a socially relevant topic that, chances are, every student will have at least some form of opinion on. They pick the most relevant and thought-provoking topic they can that isn't too complicated or involved as the subject of the "Speaking & Listening" module of the English curriculum to ensure that as many students as possible are able to participate in the module and thusly get a good grade.

Whether or not your opinions on the subject align with everyone else's is irrelevant, the purpose of the unit is to test the student's ability to listen to and keep track of people's opinions in a group discussion with multiple people whilst putting forth their own opinions on the subject. Participation is all that matters and the more enthusiastic you are about your opinion the better the grade you are likely to receive for that module and, in my experience, if you manage to link the discussion to another relevant topic without actually changing the topic of discussion you will get an even better grade. It's literally about your ability to communicate through speech using the English language and nothing else.

And we have a winner.

[SeventhSandwich]

how you ravaged the animal cruelty group

that sounds very interesting

It was years ago so obviously I don't remember the finer details.

Mainly stuff about how we can assess the safety of experimental drugs/treatments without using animals. We don't have some kind of 'machine' that tells us whether the drug will give someone cancer in a few months.

[Col. Derontchi]

it's best to not assume that everyone is radical because as a general rule people aren't

just don't get ahead of yourself and don't stress over it

I'm not assuming anyone is a radical. I believe that the reason feminism is so highly regarded on a societal scale as the movement that represents women. Therefore, it is only logical to think that if you are against feminism, then you must be against women. The only problem that unfortunately don't realize is that feminism is largely more about feminists, not necessarily women. It's about power, not rights. I will elaborate if necessary.

[Tokthree]

I'm not assuming anyone is a radical. I believe that the reason feminism is so highly regarded on a societal scale as the movement that represents women. Therefore, it is only logical to think that if you are against feminism, then you must be against women. The only problem that unfortunately don't realize is that feminism is largely more about feminists, not necessarily women. It's about power, not rights. I will elaborate if necessary.

Maybe you should save all this elaboration for your English class. You've got some good material and it'd be a waste to give us your opinions on the matter when you won't be getting a grade from us.

[Col. Derontchi]

As far as my understanding of high school-grade English curriculums goes (though my knowledge may be irrelevant as I'm in the UK and not the USA) it's not actually about the subject of feminism, it's just a socially relevant topic that, chances are, every student will have at least some form of opinion on. They pick the most relevant and thought-provoking topic they can that isn't too complicated or involved as the subject of the "Speaking & Listening" module of the English curriculum to ensure that as many students as possible are able to participate in the module and thusly get a good grade.

Whether or not your opinions on the subject align with everyone else's is irrelevant, the purpose of the unit is to test the student's ability to listen to and keep track of people's opinions in a group discussion with multiple people whilst putting forth their own opinions on the subject. Participation is all that matters and the more enthusiastic you are about your opinion the better the grade you are likely to receive for that module and, in my experience, if you manage to link the discussion to another relevant topic without actually changing the topic of discussion you will get an even better grade. It's literally about your ability to communicate through speech using the English language and nothing else.

While I mostly agree with this, I don't think it is as simple as this. There is a reason she chose feminism. Although she has not outright said it, she has implied it, in a way, or made it obvious. The reason it is unfortunately not this simple is because at least the majority of my peers within the class are feminists, and that puts my head in the grinder (I'm currently a closet-antifeminist), and so I plan to make my beliefs on feminism subtle but thought-provoking to ensure that I am not shunned from thereon. I am actually looking forward to the unit. I think it will be fun for me, to be honest. It's not however that we are studying feminism, it's that we're studying feminism in the way we are, with the works we are using. I don't know. Like I said earlier, I may just have to wait and see.

[Oasis]

While I mostly agree with this, I don't think it is as simple as this. There is a reason she chose feminism. Although she has not outright said it, she has implied it, in a way, or made it obvious. The reason it is unfortunately not this simple is because at least the majority of my peers within the class are feminists, and that puts my head in the grinder (I'm currently a closet-antifeminist), and so I plan to make my beliefs on feminism subtle but thought-provoking to ensure that I am not shunned from thereon. I am actually looking forward to the unit. I think it will be fun for me, to be honest. It's not however that we are studying feminism, it's that we're studying feminism in the way we are, with the works we are using. I don't know. Like I said earlier, I may just have to wait and see.

You being an anti-feminist adds extra hilarity to this story.

[Col. Derontchi]

You being an anti-feminist adds extra hilarity to this story.

I still am against ideologies being forced on students within public schools. The fact that it just happens to be feminism only makes it more significant to me personally, as it is something I have debated and educated myself on. What is your point?

[Oasis]

I still am against ideologies being forced on students within public schools. The fact that it just happens to be feminism only makes it more significant to me personally, as it is something I have debated and educated myself on. What is your point?

Outrage over nothing. Good job.

Your grade isn't going to depend on whether or not you strictly agree with your teacher or the course overall. Your grade will depend on you not being a little bitch through class trying to provoke your fellow students, which I can already see you doing just based on your "What is feminism? <- A Joke" comment on the image you posted.

It's fine to disagree with ideologies, it's immature to belittle other people's ideas and beliefs because you don't agree with them.

[Col. Derontchi]

Your grade isn't going to depend on whether or not you strictly agree with your teacher or the course overall. Your grade will depend on you not being a little bitch through class trying to provoke your fellow students, which I can already see you doing just based on your "What is feminism? <- A Joke" comment on the image you posted.

It's fine to disagree with ideologies, it's immature to belittle other people's ideas and beliefs because you don't agree with them.

I know this sounds extremely convenient, but that was my friend. I showed it to him the next day in Chemistry and he wrote that. The grade part is not the main focus, although it is still there. My main grievance is that it is being imposed on students of a public school in such a way. If you would have read above, my goal is to actually be as subtle as possible while still being heard, so that I provoke as little as possible while still allowing myself to be heard. I do not intend to be a troll.

[Oasis]

I know this sounds extremely convenient, but that was my friend. I showed it to him the next day in Chemistry and he wrote that. The grade part is not the main focus, although it is still there. My main grievance is that it is being imposed on students of a public school in such a way. If you would have read above, my goal is to actually be as subtle as possible while still being heard, so that I provoke as little as possible while still allowing myself to be heard. I do not intend to be a troll.

Your school isn't "imposing" stuff on you, its teaching you real world stuff along with the academic lessons the class will focus on. You're in high school (I assume), you're being prepared for university, which this class will definitely help towards. I have no idea what an anti-feminist could be, but the fact you have a problem with some feminist section in your English course speaks volumes on how you'll survive life after high school.

[Col. Derontchi]

Your school isn't "imposing" stuff on you, its teaching you real world stuff along with the academic lessons the class will focus on. You're in high school (I assume), you're being prepared for university, which this class will definitely help towards. I have no idea what an anti-feminist could be, but the fact you have a problem with some feminist section in your English course speaks volumes on how you'll survive life after high school.

It is what she is using to teach it to us that makes the difference between teaching us and imposing it upon us. It is all too one-sided. That may sound obvious, but I mean it seems to portray it in a light that takes away the "two sides to every argument" aspect, for lack of a better explanation. It's the especially propagandized videos of Emma Watson or the poem Barbie Doll which I have read myself. It's the content.

[Oasis]

It is what she is using to teach it to us that makes the difference between teaching us and imposing it upon us. It is all too one-sided. That may sound obvious, but I mean it seems to portray it in a light that takes away the "two sides to every argument" aspect, for lack of a better explanation. It's the especially propagandized videos of Emma Watson or the poem Barbie Doll which I have read myself. It's the content.

Ok, sure. Have fun in your anti-men liberal-forgetfest English class.

[Ipquarx]

Ok, sure. Have fun in your anti-men liberal-forgetfest English class.

Unsure if sarcastic or agreeing.

[Oasis]

Unsure if sarcastic or agreeing.

Sarcastic as forget, I need to go to bed for an early class.