Who should be president?

[Harm94]

minimum wage is not made to be lived off of.

its made for inexperienced high school students who want spending money.

We also live in a time where college is a now a necessity if you want to be slightly above lower class. College is super expensive especially when it comes to text books. It's only harder to find better work if you have employers who are only looking for veterans. For example my town has a few big box stores like Lowes, home depot, target, and Wal-Mart. When the housing market crash hit California, the damage trickled down and many people lost their jobs or had to close their business. Many turned to basic jobs just to provide for their families. With the economy slowly recovering jobs have come back.

However many of these business have adopted odd requirements like retail experience. For example how do work for Target if you don't have retail experience? Like wise the only way to get retail experience is if you had worked there in the first place. No one intends to work at these kinds of businesses forever. Same thing happened with the local blue diamond plant and amazon warehouse. Yet if you know a guy, he can vouch for you and you get a job. This is how you end up with morons and people who don't know what they are doing. Creating a system which only allows in experienced workers with no means of training new blood while allowing inexperienced labor in without any real training.

With barely livable wages and stupid requirements most students find themselves taking loans that have high interest rates from banks while in turn the book companies and campus book stores profit of gouged text books. If you are really lucky like belonging to a low enough socio economic family or being of color, you can receive a fee waiver or financial aid.

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[Kearn]

tell me more about how taxing bill gates is going to fix all our problems when we expand welfare even faster than it is already growing

im also curious what you have to say to someone currently earning $15 an hour when they are suddenly making minimum wage in 2020 and can no longer live as comfortably as they could before

[Acerblock]

I don't understand why the minimum wage should not be enough to support someone, is there then a point to why it should be as low as it is?

tell me more about how taxing bill gates is going to fix all our problems when we expand welfare even faster than it is already growing

im also curious what you have to say to someone currently earning $15 an hour when they are suddenly making minimum wage in 2020 and can no longer live as comfortably as they could before

First off, I love that argument used while a favorite among conservatives happened to accomplish this.

Second off, a more progressive tax rate is not the only solution. You're changing the question. I wasn't saying that a progressive tax rate is going to be the only solution, I said the wealthy don't pay enough, being one problem.

And their wage should be raised too, and EVEN THEN, how are they living less comfortably when they have the same income as they did previously?

[Harm94]

What we need are industries and businesses that create revenue and we can tax them enough to offset the taxes on people.

[Dragonoid.Slayer]

Where is Kanye and deez nutz?

[Blockchip]

Why isn't deez nuts in the poll

[Plethora]

We also live in a time where college is a now a necessity if you want to be slightly above lower class.

Wrong.  The economy may not be how it used to be, but there are still buildings going up, still a place for laborers who if they are anxious enough to progress to be masons or electricians or carpenters or whatever can do so.  I don't need a degree to start a business (although some stuff you can learn at school may be useful).  And if the economic situation really is so bad as to keep the cream at the bottom, there is the painful but necessary option of moving to where there is better opportunity - people leave the Middle East for Europe.

When you raise the minimum wage it adds another hurdle to new workers entering the market.  This decreases competition and where there is less competition quality drops.  Some kid isn't worth $15 an hour, but if I can pay him a pittance he could be worth that and as he improves at his job, become worth more.  Yes, starting out would suck, but that's all it is, starting out - minimum wage jobs are just stepping stones not islands to build homes on; it sucks until you can do better.

You should get better wages because you do good enough work to justify them, and trying to coerce employers into giving you more than you're worth is little better than theft.  Minimum wage jobs usually don't produce enough to justify a living wage, that's just how it is.

[Kearn]

I said the wealthy don't pay enough, being one problem.

they pay for the vast majority of everything. so yes, they do.

how are they living less comfortably when they have the same income as they did previously?

because their job earning double minimum wage is now only a minimum wage job, and the price of goods produced by minimum labor jobs has now exploded. they now have to spend more of their money to buy the same things as before. the only thing you would accomplish is kill off part-time minimum wage jobs and devalue higher-paying jobs

[dr_pepper]

Lets stop fighting and share.
Donald T-ookad-Annoying Orange muthaforgetas

[Alyx Vance]

the solution to give EMTs better pay is not to raise minimum wage

Woah, calm down Trogtor! You're thinking too logically!

[Acerblock]

Wrong.  The economy may not be how it used to be, but there are still buildings going up, still a place for laborers who if they are anxious enough to progress to be masons or electricians or carpenters or whatever can do so.  I don't need a degree to start a business (although some stuff you can learn at school may be useful).  And if the economic situation really is so bad as to keep the cream at the bottom, there is the painful but necessary option of moving to where there is better opportunity - people leave the Middle East for Europe.

When you raise the minimum wage it adds another hurdle to new workers entering the market.  This decreases competition and where there is less competition quality drops.  Some kid isn't worth $15 an hour, but if I can pay him a pittance he could be worth that and as he improves at his job, become worth more.  Yes, starting out would suck, but that's all it is, starting out - minimum wage jobs are just stepping stones not islands to build homes on; it sucks until you can do better.

You should get better wages because you do good enough work to justify them, and trying to coerce employers into giving you more than you're worth is little better than theft.  Minimum wage jobs usually don't produce enough to justify a living wage, that's just how it is.

In my personal opinion, the minimum wage should be a stepping stone to jump out of poverty.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04/07/robert-reich-gives-us-7-reasons-why-the-minimum-wage-should-be-raised-to-15-video/

they pay for the vast majority of everything. so yes, they do.

because their job earning double minimum wage is now only a minimum wage job, and the price of goods produced by minimum labor jobs has now exploded. they now have to spend more of their money to buy the same things as before. the only thing you would accomplish is kill off part-time minimum wage jobs and devalue higher-paying jobs

Because they own the vast majority of the economy.

And that CNN article is missing some key points, like loopholes, exemptions, deductions and hell, I looked through the comments, there's some lively discussion going on there.

For the "rich people do pay enough" argument

And like I said, raise wages then depending upon what work they put in.

[Kearn]

raise wages then depending upon what work they put in.

what is this even supposed to mean

[shitlord]

what is this even supposed to mean

if you work in digging up dog stuff and you work harder than those who work in an office maybe you should be paid more

[Nonnel]

the dog stuff digging company makes less money than the insurance firm

[Heitmeyer²]

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