What are your reasons for believing whatever you may believe about Christianity?

[Bluecat43]

I'm catholic but I don't really like a lot of the rules in the bible like a lot of the sin things where you get sent to hell for one thing in specific, also I don't like that rule against gays really, because I like he idea of people being able to do what they want and not be ruled by rules in a book. I still believe in the bible but not all the stories. I don't really like the idea of how you need to be perfect to get into hell, I prefer South Park's interpretation of it though, I also believe in reincarnation after spending like what 2 years in hell or heaven.

      I tolerate people of any religion unlike a lot of my classmates here down south, it is not as bad as you would think when it comes to being Mexican in a school in the middle of Dixie Land. I also don't find anything wrong with being homoloveual, I'm actually biloveual, and people who are atheists are fine as long they don't go shouting in my ears saying that I should deserve to die because I believe in what I believe. I hate most people who are religious extremists because they tend to claim that they represent everyone of that religion, because most of the Muslims in my school hate CIA. I also don't like atheists who say that religion should be wiped off the face of the Earth, I'm not saying that all atheists are like that because I do have a few friends who are atheists.

And that is all I have to say.

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[sir dooble]

God doesn't have to save anyone and he would still be just. We exist thanks to Him, and thus should live our lives for His glory. It is by His grace that we are even able to be saved.

Just consider that without God we wouldn't exist. Why should we deserve anything, much less being saved from anything bad happening in our everyday lives?

Because I didn't ask to exist.

Consider your argument if we weren't talking about God, but talking about a parent and a child.
The child doesn't deserve anything, not even being saved from harm (even harm caused by the parent), because he only exists at the whim of the parent.

That's not right.
Just because someone created you it doesn't give them the right to subject you to harm.

[Darryl McKoy]

God doesn't have to save anyone and he would still be just. We exist thanks to Him, and thus should live our lives for His glory. It is by His grace that we are even able to be saved.

Just consider that without God we wouldn't exist. Why should we deserve anything, much less being saved from anything bad happening in our everyday lives?

If god was a parent, he'd be considered a neglectful one.

[Bluecat43]

If god was a parent, he'd be considered a neglectful one.

Yeah that is pretty true about him/her/whatevertumblrusergodis someone thinks about it.

[shitlord]

i mean like really in the bible god kills a stuffload of people and satan only kills a few :/

[Wesley Williams]

Just because someone created you it doesn't give them the right to subject you to harm.

How is God subjecting us to harm?

If god was a parent, he'd be considered a neglectful one.

So God is supposed to protect everyone from harm? If he stops Mark from killing Bob, isn't he then protecting Bob but neglecting Mark? God does not harm us himself, his creation harms his creation due to free will (or in the case of nature, science).

And God is neglectful/unloving of his children? He took on human flesh, lived the life we should have lived, and died the death we should have died. When Christ died on the cross it wasn't just as painful as when any random person is killed. He was a blameless sacrifice, and thus received the full wrath of God for all sin that had been and will be committed. The father killed his son for our sake, yet you say he is neglectful of all his children?

[Darryl McKoy]

So God is supposed to protect everyone from harm? If he stops Mark from killing Bob, isn't he then protecting Bob but neglecting Mark? God does not harm us himself, his creation harms his creation due to free will (or in the case of nature, science).

He purportedly created everything, how is it NOT possible for him to protect everyone from harm?

The father killed his son for our sake, yet you say he is neglectful of all his children?

Killed his own son and still lets suffering mar the lives of all his children? Sounds like a pretty damn neglectful parent to me!

[Xphifre]

Why do christians use hell as a weapon
''Do this and you go to hell monday friend!''
Like seriously forget those people

[sir dooble]

How is God subjecting us to harm?

It's his universe.
He created it with the capability of me suffering. He allows me to suffer.
He allows 'nature' to at any minute strike me with lightning, or wash me away in a flood, or have the very ground swallow me up whole.

He's the parent who leaves the toddler with the vicious dog in the room.
He's the parent who leaves the child with the fireplace.
He's the parent who sets us up to fail and then punishes us for it.


You claimed I should live my life for His Glory.
Well he's not deserving of my praise.
He has never done anything for me. And the worst thing he ever did was to create me, against my will, and let me wander on into suffering.
Why should I be thankful for a God who let us live lives as terrifying and painful as they can be?

[WaterOre]

It's his universe.
He created it with the capability of me suffering. He allows me to suffer.
He allows 'nature' to at any minute strike me with lightning, or wash me away in a flood, or have the very ground swallow me up whole.

He's the parent who leaves the toddler with the vicious dog in the room.
He's the parent who leaves the child with the fireplace.
He's the parent who sets us up to fail and then punishes us for it.


You claimed I should live my life for His Glory.
Well he's not deserving of my praise.
He has never done anything for me. And the worst thing he ever did was to create me, against my will, and let me wander on into suffering.
Why should I be thankful for a God who let us live lives as terrifying and painful as they can be?

On the plus side, at least he's more or less stopped with the plagues of locusts and turning water into blood.

[Darryl McKoy]

Yeah I'm not going to live my life for the glory of a filicidal maniac.

[Wesley Williams]

He purportedly created everything, how is it NOT possible for him to protect everyone from harm?

It is possible for him to protect everyone from harm. However

If he stops Mark from killing Bob, isn't he then protecting Bob but neglecting Mark? God does not harm us himself, his creation harms his creation due to free will (or in the case of nature, science).

God gives us all free will. If we were all protected from harm, we wouldn't be able to have free will. God also allows us to go through suffering and trials to strengthen us, look at the Bible's Job for instance.

It's his universe.
He created it with the capability of me suffering. He allows me to suffer.

Doesn't he also allow you to enjoy life?

At the end of the day, we have a limited perspective. God is not human, we cannot claim to know why he does what he does. Here are some articles that look like they do a good job with the subject:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t023.html
https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/07/why-does-god-allow-tragedy-and-suffering/

[Darryl McKoy]

God is not human, we cannot claim to know why he does what he does.

So why did you, over and over in this topic?

Seems convenient for you to only throw that into the mix now..

[SeventhSandwich]

So you're saying people without the opportunity to learn about Christ are rejecting Christ?

That's like one translation. Here's 5 other translations that don't stipulate that you go to hell for voluntarily rejecting Christ, but just not believing in him.

"And anyone who believes in God's Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn't obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God's angry judgment." - New Living Translation

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." - King James Bible

"He that believes on the Son has life eternal, and he that is not subject to the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him." - Darby Bible Translation

"He who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him." - Young's Literal Translation

"He that believeth on the Son, hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son, shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." - Webster's Bible Translation.

Ambiguous translations. Biblical inerrancy. Pick one again.

At the end of the day, we have a limited perspective. God is not human, we cannot claim to know why he does what he does. Here are some articles that look like they do a good job with the subject:

So God is omnipotent and good, but allows the world to suffer because "lol idk"?

I'm not gonna tell you what to believe, but how does this actually sate your own skepticism?

[Red Spy]

Just consider that without God we wouldn't exist.

I'm just gonna guess here and say Darryl is an Atheist, Agnostic, etc.

You are really loving stupid for using something he doesn't believe to prove your "point".


That's like my saying I believe Cthulhu created everything, then someone saying:

"I don't believe Cthulhu exists, and/or created everything."

Then I would say:

"Well I believe Cthulhu created everything."

You get what I'm saying? I used something that the person I'm arguing with doesn't believe in to prove my imaginary point.