Hurricane's Space Nation RP Development

[Mr. Hurricane]

The wormholes would be system-to-system and function along the same principle as alderson tramdrives, and can only communicate with systems that share tram links.

Now we can classify the microscopic wormholes as being an implication of the Alderson Tramdrive's functions. Communications relays will be large, hot facilities due to the power required to maintain a permanent microscopic wormhole at a point that isn't on one of the Alderson jump points.

Forgive me if I find it amusing that you abuse other hokey science fiction devices but make a firm stand against stealth.

Elaborate on abuse. We should only make so many handwaves.

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[TristanLuigi]

Forgive me if I find it amusing that you abuse other hokey science fiction devices but make a firm stand against stealth.

He's right that space stealth doesn't really have a basis in reality. Granted, neither do these "tramlinks," but at least wormholes and Alcubierre drives have some theoretical possibility (aka we haven't yet proven them impossible.)

The heat vent thing I can't justify. 

[Mr. Hurricane]

He's right that space stealth doesn't really have a basis in reality. Granted, neither do these "tramlinks," but at least wormholes and Alcubierre drives have some theoretical possibility (aka we haven't yet proven them impossible.)

The heat vent thing I can't justify.  

Alderson tramlines are wormholes with constraints, iirc. The NASA scientist Dan Alderson drew them up for the novel The Mote in God's Eye. Basically, star pairs can form 'Tramlines,' which allow for instantaneous travel between two stars, in a point-to-point fashion.

However, unlike the Mote in God's Eye, I am considering alcubierre drives to alleviate waiting a month for your fleet to orbit the star to get to the next jump out point.

[SWAT One]

I still find that this was unaddressed.  Can I please receive a statement on this?

On that note, is transferring heat in a vacuum in this RP solely there to thwart stealth, since traditionally it is radiation alone that could be detected?

[CypherX]

The only basis alcubierre drives have in reality is as a solar system destroying superweapon.

[WaterOre]

I still find that this was unaddressed.  Can I please receive a statement on this?

Hot objects create infrared radiation, which can be detected and travel through a vacuum because it is a form of light.

This explanation does also open up the possibility of cooling and insulating the outer hull of a spaceship to make it blend into the average temperature of the local space, however.

[Qwepir]

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Alcubierre Drives for interplanetary travel (Speeds measured in fractions of an AU/Day, new technology)

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Alcubierre Drives a hypothetical FTL system? Because light can go one AU in about eight minutes.

[Mr. Hurricane]

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Alcubierre Drives a hypothetical FTL system? Because light can go one AU in about eight minutes.

They are, but they don't have to move a ship faster that light.

Hot objects create infrared radiation, which can be detected and travel through a vacuum because it is a form of light.

This explanation does also open up the possibility of cooling and insulating the outer hull of a spaceship to make it blend into the average temperature of the local space, however.

Hard to do, because an active fusion reactor would generate a lot of heat, on top of the hull's interior being warm.

I believe space is close to 0°K, or -237° C

according to the research ive done space is 3 degrees kelvin

[CypherX]

What about this liquid that diffuses heat so well? Could you coat the outside armor in it or have this liquid exist in a layer just outside or inside of the armor? I think if you combine that with very low overall module use you could kill a lot of heat.

Alternatively, you could have drones or AI controlled ships that use solar power rather than fusion energy. They don't need to have an interior at all and very little heat in general. Use the above tactics and perhaps you could defeat radar detection as well.

[Qwepir]

Maybe you make yourself invisible to heat. Cool, have you also plugged up the exhaust so that they can't pick up your engine emissions? What if the scanners don't just search for heat or radar, but also for spatial distortions as a result of using the Alcubierre drive? What if the scanners are just that good that they can spot a ship visually anyway?

[CypherX]

I'm against using the alcubierre drive in general, since the particles it picks up while moving will be expelled at ridiculous speeds and will obliterate anything in front of the craft.

Ideally, the engines are off. And I'd really hand it to the scanners if they could visually pick up a craft no larger than, say, a football field, in the great black.

[Juncoph]

They are, but they don't have to move a ship faster that light.

Hard to do, because an active fusion reactor would generate a lot of heat, on top of the hull's interior being warm.

according to the research ive done space is 3 degrees kelvin

step one

partially lower control rods, power down systems like your recharging alcubierre drive capacitor or your combat maneuvering thruster array

step two

partially cool the part of the ship facing the thing you want to hide from, vent in the direction opposite of it

step three

remember how i said partially cool? reduce cooling loads by cloaking as something that fits  the environment, like a few distant stars or perhaps a small meteoroid


stealth is a far more realistic technology than the alcubierre drive. this is coming from someone who wants more science done with it, but... well, the alcubierre drive - at least, in simulations and calculations, likes to collect particles while it jumps and discharge them when it stops.

in a conical area in the direction the ship was travelling

at velocities high enough to destroy planets or perhaps stars, depending on how many particles got scooped

this isn't even mentioning other methods of stealth like this, or this.

Maybe you make yourself invisible to heat. Cool, have you also plugged up the exhaust so that they can't pick up your engine emissions? What if the scanners don't just search for heat or radar, but also for spatial distortions as a result of using the Alcubierre drive? What if the scanners are just that good that they can spot a ship visually anyway?

the alcubierre drive doesn't leave lasting after effects in its environment, at least not in the fabric of time space itself. again, it's loving impractical as stuff because it's a WMD beyond the likes of anything humanity has ever created - it's the MOAB where the tsar bomba is nothing more than a cherry bomb. sure, you won't be stealthy when you're in an FTL jump but you can't get intercepted when you're superluminal.


also it's worth noting that the advanced massive scanner arrays that have all that wonderful space and lack of weight limits on the ground for gigantic systems wouldn't work in a functioning ship.

[Qwepir]

The point is, if he doesn't want stealth in his setting, there won't be stealth in his setting unless you manage to convince the OP that a lack of stealth would negatively impact the RP as a whole from a meta perspective. You simply cannot argue for it from an in-universe perspective because this is science fiction and any sort of techno-magic solution, be it realistic or merely plausible, can be thought up to counter it.

[Operator¹]

What about battery powered fighters?

[Juncoph]

What about battery powered fighters?

this too. the alcubierre drive's capacitors would have to hold massive amounts of energy, so by simply.. not using them for the alcubierre drive,  you could keep the ship running for a while with your generator off