Author Topic: I've 100% had it with these loving islam asylum seekers  (Read 26553 times)

Because there are a lot of problems with context and misinterpretation.
It's funny how people will cry "wahh context and interpretation" regarding bible verses being bad, and yet it never occurs to them to consider "context and interpretation" in the Quran verses they have problems with. See:

You see, the big difference between Christianity and Islam is that the Muslims are called to judge those who sin,
What do you mean "judge"
It sounds like you mean kill
I can find bible verses of Jesus commanding to kill. If you're going to reply with "context and interpretation!!!" then you need to apply that same standard to Quran verses.

However, I will address the main argument.
My main argument is:
The problem is that people are using the violence in another religion's holy book, while being oblivious to the violence in their own book, as an argument to not allow the refugees.

what the forget happened in here
Considering this was an argument since OP, nothing happened
« Last Edit: January 20, 2016, 12:56:48 PM by Headcrab Zombie »

The problem is that people are using the violence in another religion's holy book, while being oblivious to the violence in their own book
See the problem is that you're assuming that everybody who argues against the Koran is Christian. What's more is that comparatively few people live 'by the bible' whereas there are mad* people who follow the words of the Koran.

*as in many

EDIT: Should I be spelling it Quran or is Koran an acceptable spelling?
« Last Edit: January 20, 2016, 01:12:02 PM by Taciturn »

The Christian concept of love isn't even about being buddy buddy peaceful hippies with everyone. It's the idea that everyone is worthy of receiving God's grace by accepting Christ as their savior, and should be given the opportunity and knowledge to do so.

Man, please try to keep your arguments civil.
I'm going to admit that I know very little about the Quran, but I'm going to make a case for Christianity.
What do you mean "judge"
It sounds like you mean kill
I can find bible verses of Jesus commanding to kill. If you're going to reply with "context and interpretation!!!" then you need to apply that same standard to Quran verses.
My main argument is:Considering this was an argument since OP, nothing happened
First off, concerning the verse, it Jesus wasn't directly saying that. He was telling a story of a king who represents him when he comes back again to judge the world.
And when I say judge, it could mean kill. If God commanded us to kill, then that's what needs to be done. Those he commands to kill, ought to follow his orders. Much like if a superior officer commanded his batallion to shoot on sight, they would do that without hesitation.
But he has not ordered us to kill in the bible. He actually commands us not to do so.

My original main point had nothing to do with whether we should let the immigrants in. I interpreted your main point being that Christians that follow the Bible are just as likely to be violent as the Muslims who follow the Quran. If that was not your case than I apologize, but I felt this needed to clarified.

My point is that Christians, should they truly follow the Bible, will be non-violent and commit no heinous crimes, and I will continue to argue this case if needed.

The Christian concept of love isn't even about being buddy buddy peaceful hippies with everyone. It's the idea that everyone is worthy of receiving God's grace by accepting Christ as their savior, and should be given the opportunity and knowledge to do so.
That's a fine way of putting it. It also has to do with the idea that we're all sinners who have sinned in the past and will sin again,  that we are all equally undeserving of God's grace, and that we're all equal because of it.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2016, 01:17:35 PM by Moppy »

I'm going to make a case for Christianity.First off, concerning the verse, it Jesus wasn't directly saying that
You don't need to make this case, because I know, and said myself (albeit maybe a bit indirectly) that it's out of context.
My point is that you need to apply the same thing to Quran verses before you judge them

You don't need to make this case, because I know, and said myself (albeit maybe a bit indirectly) that it's out of context.
My point is that you need to apply the same thing to Quran verses before you judge them
Fine, agreed. :)
I'm glad we got this out of the way. This was taking up way too much time.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/most-fleeing-to-europe-are-not-refugees-eu-official-says-1.2511133
Holy stuff Timmermans is finally persuaded by the giant right-wing polls of nearly 40% to 1 party.

This article also states we're getting militarized police so yeah go asylum seekers!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/most-fleeing-to-europe-are-not-refugees-eu-official-says-1.2511133
Holy stuff Timmermans is finally persuaded by the giant right-wing polls of nearly 40% to 1 party.

This article also states we're getting militarized police so yeah go asylum seekers!
That was always my sneaking suspicion- I didn't believe for a second the narrative that the people coming over were all refugees fleeing violence. Yes, I can believe that SOME of them are, but they could literally pick any member state of the UN to go to in the process of seeking asylum, quite strange that they pick the quasi-socialist, fairly (previously) homogenous Scandinavian countries.

EDIT: Should I be spelling it Quran or is Koran an acceptable spelling?
I know alot of people are going to read it as "Korean"

But I think it's Qu'ran when you spell it like that. Then again there's many spellings of Qu'ran so forget me
I could be wrong so eh