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I gotta be honest, guys.  I am actually finding updating and constantly following this game to be a tremendous consumption of time and attention.  Frankly, I am seriously considering either dropping the project altogether or passing it off to anyone who I

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Author Topic: Nation Forge — Iron Desert [1863] — Beware the Ides of March  (Read 192970 times)

I have no interest in starting wars. I said before -- nations that just want to build up. That's what I find fun, and I don't think it is fair the Kyrev gets five stars right out of the gate when I'm over here struggling to build my stuff up.

what are you talking about. he has multiple trade agreements, tech contracts, and has a buttload of land, along with a ton of allies and a vassal. i don't see how he wouldn't be a 5 star.

I had 3 stars out of the gate like everyone else. Claiming I didn't is false.

Imperialism and expansion is achievable by everyone, but cherry-picking technology, especially something as revolutionary as the first bolt action rifle, from the future is unfair for the rest of us, who are sticking to the normal course of events. Had grunter used this closer to its actual production and introduction date, somewhere around 1836, I would have had nothing to complain about because there is nothing to complain about - that is 100% valid. If we allowed this sort of cherry-picking we'd have machineguns in 1870 and all big gun battleships in 1875. The trend of introducing technology when it shouldn't be has ended RPs such as Nonnel's Earth 1990.

It would be like using M16s for all of your infantry in the Battle of Stalingrad. That's just not fair.


That said, I think the ranking system needs another look, as Nizza has pointed out, because it's not quite balanced as it is.

i took a stab at this, was trying to imitate the Captain America: Civil War format


pardon terrible illustration

Not that I have any particular stake in the outcome of this debate, but SWAT did say that Conservatia was handicapped in some other ways to even out the superior military technology (although I don't think he went into the specifics).  I don't call that too outlandish, especially since Conservatia in this RP is the same as it ever was in any others I've seen it in: a belligerent and war-centric totalitarian regime (not to bad mouth it; Conservatia tends to do well, and not my words but history will determine if that's any good).

my only complaint is that all the world has >200,000 man armies AND functioning economies.

something something 7% rule that everyone abuses the forget out of

hasnt rhe dreyse needle mechanism been invented

hasnt rhe dreyse needle mechanism been invented

technically yes but the quality suffered from being implemented properly over a decade early
« Last Edit: February 05, 2016, 10:14:32 PM by Operator¹ »

Not that I have any particular stake in the outcome of this debate, but SWAT did say that Conservatia was handicapped in some other ways to even out the superior military technology (although I don't think he went into the specifics).  I don't call that too outlandish, especially since Conservatia in this RP is the same as it ever was in any others I've seen it in: a belligerent and war-centric totalitarian regime (not to bad mouth it; Conservatia tends to do well, and not my words but history will determine if that's any good).
I have heard something similar, but I didn't know that at the time. To me, it had looked like he had outfitted a rather unsettlingly large army with a rifle whose disadvantages would have virtually not existed in the time period. If I had known the true extent of what it was like, I would not have brought it up, because while I disagree personally on the "technological advances for arbitrary handicaps" it's not an unfair system. Of course, by the time I had sent the question to Swat and he had responded, the conflict was already in full swing and he had, in a way, redacted the change - though I suppose too you could argue this is just a part of the handicap now that the gun is being tested on the field.

Situations like these are unfortunate and uncomfortable but in the end necessary going forward, so we can learn from the mistake.



hasnt rhe dreyse needle mechanism been invented
There is a reason that while the rifle's early designs were created in the 20s, it did not go into production until 1836 and wasn't accepted into any armies until 1841.



my only complaint is that all the world has >200,000 man armies AND functioning economies.
the problem arises when people have >200,000 man STANDING armies

nations of this era typically had that many men or more, but there was a conscription and mobilization system that isn't enforced much if at all in nation RPs.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2016, 10:21:47 PM by CypherX »

There was some person that had a military junta so I almost accepted them having a loving colossal standing army.


im just leaving because its bullstuff that millhamiah which was destroyed entirely by warfare

is stronger than me, and smaller than me by 30x or so

im just leaving because its bullstuff that millhamiah which was destroyed entirely by warfare

is stronger than me, and smaller than me by 30x or so

Israel kicked egypt, Syria, and Jordan's asses all at once.


im just leaving because its bullstuff that millhamiah which was destroyed entirely by warfare

is stronger than me, and smaller than me by 30x or so

your military is too big to be adaptable