POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Poliwhirl]

is there even any grounding at all to the "if everyone has health insurance i'll die because the emergency rooms will be crowded" claim? i'm kind of just assuming tactical nuke is defending this purely out of blind party loyalty yet again, since this seems like complete bullstuff. meanwhile it's not at all hard to guess why people would die if they aren't allowed to have that health insurance in the first place.

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[Nonnel]

maybe we should build more hospitals if that's the only problem

[Drydess]

build hospitals along the border and make a wall out of abortions

[Darryl McKoy]

maybe we should build more hospitals if that's the only problem

That would be far too reasonable. Death to the poor!

[e-maxx]

 If you're really that close to dying you won't be waiting around in the ER.

[otto-san]

the real thing i'm concerned about is that they literally avoided consulting the CBO about this? like please correct me if i'm wrong about that, but it does strike me as odd that they would decide to forego a professional, nonpartisan, thorough look into the effects of the bill before even debating or passing it, conveniently after their last attempt was brown townyzed to be Pretty Bad™ by the CBO, and obvs that drew a lot of negative attention. the fact is, if people can't afford to keep themselves healthy, they will die, and i don't think that's something we should have to wait and see about. we have a right to know the potential effects of this bill before it's passed into law and healthcare is yanked away from people

and the whole thing of counting rape, loveual assault, having children, etc. as pre-existing conditions is really disconcerting. if anyone can explain that one to me then please do so, because as far as i can tell it benefits no one but rapists, and i'd really like to have a better idea as to what the deal there is. i really don't think those things would be there on purpose,  so is it just an unfortunate coincidence?

[LeisureSuit912]

the real thing i'm concerned about is that they literally avoided consulting the CBO about this? like please correct me if i'm wrong about that, but it does strike me as odd that they would decide to forego a professional, nonpartisan, thorough look into the effects of the bill before even debating or passing it, conveniently after their last attempt was brown townyzed to be Pretty Bad™ by the CBO, and obvs that drew a lot of negative attention

and the whole thing of counting rape, loveual assault, having children, etc. as pre-existing conditions is really disconcerting. if anyone can explain that one to me then please do so, because as far as i can tell it benefits no one but rapists

Because they don't give a stuff. The CBO likely would've made the bill look worse like it did last time so they skipped that. Republicans don't have respect for those procedural norms.

[beachbum111111]

is there even any grounding at all to the "if everyone has health insurance i'll die because the emergency rooms will be crowded" claim? i'm kind of just assuming tactical nuke is defending this purely out of blind party loyalty yet again, since this seems like complete bullstuff. meanwhile it's not at all hard to guess why people would die if they aren't allowed to have that health insurance in the first place.

The wait times in emergency in Canada are 4-10 hours.

[Poliwhirl]

The wait times in emergency in Canada are 4-10 hours.

there's also nearly 5x more hospitals in the US than there are in Canada. stop trying to apply your experience in a completely different country to America.

[beachbum111111]

there's also nearly 5x more hospitals in the US than there are in Canada.

And nearly 10 times the population you loving handicap

stop trying to apply your experience in a completely different country to America.

You asked if there was any grounding for Tactical Nukes claim, I presented some. Stop being such a salty cunt.

[Poliwhirl]

You asked if there was any grounding for Tactical Nukes claim, I presented some. Stop being such a salty cunt.

do you actually have any proof that canada's wait times are caused by universal healthcare? people don't injure themselves any more than they normally would just because they aren't forced to pay outrageous medical costs.

at that rate, how many people actually die during that 4-8 hour wait? according to tactical nuke, it's a lot of people.

[Darryl McKoy]

You asked if there was any grounding for Tactical Nukes claim, I presented some. Stop being such a salty cunt.

You didn't actually present anything that supported his claim

[Tactical Nuke]

How many people in the US die annually waiting to get into the emergency room?

not as many people because the US does not have universal healthcare like other countries like Canada
this would change based on what lefties want

meanwhile, you're trying to ask me for an exact number to presumably counter it with an estimate

maybe we should build more hospitals if that's the only problem

the problem in Canada specifically is that clinics are closed on the weekends and that pushes all the patients into the hospitals
this forces the hospital to take care of so many people that patients need to take numbers; this is regardless of their condition

so yes building more hospitals would help, but your specially-crafted soulless Republican strawmen haven't really come out against that, now have they?

[Darryl McKoy]

not as many people because the US does not have universal healthcare like other countries like Canada
this would change based on what lefties want

Cutting health insurance coverage is not an effective solution to an under-resourced healthcare system

[SeventhSandwich]

You mean I can't buy fire insurance after my house burns down?

People are born with pre-existing conditions, and some pre-existing conditions show up at ages when people are on their parent's plan. Which means after they lose their dependency they're just forgeted.

Also this bill removes protections for rape victims and domestic abuse victims, meaning if someone rapes you and you get fired from your job for whatever reason, you're off your employer's plan and other insurers can just deny you for being a rape victim.

Like, your brown townogy doesn't work on many levels. Yes there are people who are irresponsible and can purchase insurance before getting sick but don't, but that's at all the complete picture or even necessarily a representative one...

honestly how plug-loving handicapped are you people who believe that this bill is going to kill millions of people

Millions of people is an exaggerated short-term estimate, but there have been peer-reviewed, independent, non-partisan studies that have shown why the other Obamacare repeal-replace bill would have killed many people. Unless you have specific complaints against their data or methodology, then you have to accept their findings. Or at least you should.