POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Kochieboy]

isn't this what got kimon banned the last time he was here

Yup, it most certainly was. And he can't learn that he isn't welcome here much like the other repeat problem users.

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[Decepticon]

Did you guys forget that you're arguing with Kimon, the bumblr drone who gets triggered if you try to uncuck him. :y

poli is kimon?

it all makes sense now, thanks

[Zloff]

again, they can hardly be considered true muslims if they would do something heinously violent and deliberately anti-islam to islamic worshippers in an islamic holy site on a religious holiday. the most logical conclusion to be drawn by their actions is that they don't actually care about the religion they use as a poor excuse for their horrible actions.

one denomination sees the other as practicing islam in such a way that they think their god finds extremely insulting and disgusting, potentially putting them at a level below non-muslims, so for the glory of their god and the integrity of their beliefs they kill them. simple concept really, i haven't read enough of the quran to know for sure if that particular scenario is 100% a-ok but i would not doubt it

the quran, much like every other holy books, was written in a much different time where things like this were considered normal. luckily, this is not considered normal anymore, and nobody truly follows those specific passages anymore. christian priests typically dont burn any more witches at the stake, and neither does your average muslim.

i never understood the witches thing in the first place. catholics are really weird

as for terrorist groups, why would they be considered to be following the quran if they happen to meet the "kill heretics" rule that nobody else follows, but not the other basic rules of islam that everybody else follows?
the answer is of course that they aren't truly an islamic organization, but then that would remove one of donald Annoying Orange's key scapegoats, so why would his supporters acknowledge that?

so it's safe for me to assume that your answer to my question is a 'no'

but it's true though lol
a ton of muslims don't follow the quran word for word

and i'm glad they don't

Did you guys forget that you're arguing with Kimon, the bumblr drone who gets triggered if you try to uncuck him. :y

oh. well i already have this typed up but it's the last i'll post on the topic here lol

[Jairo]

Did you guys forget that you're arguing with Kimon, the bumblr drone who gets triggered if you try to uncuck him. :y

poliwhirl is kimon?

[Drydess]

poliwhirl is kimon?

yea lol, several people pm'd baddie about it and the alt check was right

[Akio-]

bumblr

yess its a thing now

[otto-san]

"no true muslim" fallacy at work

it's also a fallacy to assume that something true of the parts is necessarily true of the whole.

the argument isn't just a lazy "ah yes, but those people aren't actually muslim." for it to count as a no true scotsman, you would have to be actively trying to dismiss the existence of real problems by just claiming that the criticism can't apply because it's not a part of the group. i've actually heard the no true scotsman fallacy used in anti-muslim argument as well, saying that the "good muslims" are supposedly not real muslims. it becomes a fallacy when it's used to avoid argumentation by simply excluding cases you don't want to include.

Did you guys forget that you're arguing with Kimon, the bumblr drone who gets triggered if you try to uncuck him. :y

to be fair kimon isn't really being...unreasonable. like he's not being overly inflammatory and he's actually trying to bring up points. i mean i wouldn't have picked this battle knowing the blockland forums but like...come on dude.

[Psych36]

it's also a fallacy to assume that something true of the parts is necessarily true of the whole.

the argument isn't just a lazy "ah yes, but those people aren't actually muslim." for it to count as a no true scotsman, you would have to be actively trying to dismiss the existence of real problems by just claiming that the criticism can't apply because it's not a part of the group. i've actually heard the no true scotsman fallacy used in anti-muslim argument as well, saying that the "good muslims" are supposedly not real muslims. it becomes a fallacy when it's used to avoid argumentation by simply excluding cases you don't want to include.
to be fair kimon isn't really being...unreasonable. like he's not being overly inflammatory and he's actually trying to bring up points. i mean i wouldn't have picked this battle knowing the blockland forums but like...come on dude.

Nah, he lost the argument the moment he called Tezuni a tribal when Islam isn't even a race but a set of ideas.

[Jairo]

yea lol, several people pm'd baddie about it and the alt check was right

yeah I found where the checks happened. what a revelation

[otto-san]

Nah, he lost the argument the moment he called Tezuni a tribal when Islam isn't even a race but a set of ideas.

probably mostly because using the word "islamophobic" unironically is a really dumb idea. ofc people also don't take accusations of prejudice seriously because they aren't actual arguments. which is probably also why that's not the focus anymore

[Poliwhirl]

You're completely wrong. For example, Indonesia has 205,000,000 people living there and half of them support strict shariah law. That means killing apostates (those who leave the religion), homoloveuals,etc. Now you move to a mainstream Wahhabi country like Saudi Arabia and Qatar where they actively behead people from the Shia minority, and follow strict Shari'ah Law. Those are just a few examples of how mainstream Islam is still widely practiced and the Quran is followed.

a bad leader can convince a whole lot of people to do a whole lot of bad things. even ignoring the fact that government workers/agents/soldiers cannot disobey these rules, civilians are typically in no place to oppose in places and situations like this. the reason why there is such a stark difference in the beliefs of middle-eastern-based islam and the united states is because the united states (currently) has religious freedom, meaning you don't have to follow any religions in a specific way. unsurprisingly, when given the choice of following the peaceful values of islam in the untied states, most people take it.

Did you guys forget that you're arguing with Kimon, the bumblr drone who gets triggered if you try to uncuck him. :y

this is the most nonsensical alt-right sentence i've ever seen in my life, i think.

poli is kimon?

it all makes sense now, thanks

isn't this what got kimon banned the last time he was here

Yup, it most certainly was. And he can't learn that he isn't welcome here much like the other repeat problem users.

interesting how i actually use sourced and logic-based discussion to try to convince some of you to consider my point of view, and you all fall back on the easier alternative of dismissing my argument completely.

i left of my own accord (well 75% my own accord) last time, and i certainly didn't come back to argue with people who refuse to discuss a single thing beyond calling me a tumblr normie liberal cuck. i only began this discussion because certain things are important to me, like not being tribal, and i will try to explain why i think a certain post is tribal since it's one of the few things i can do to help lessen the presence of racism on this forum. if you guys aren't ready to actually engage in a normal, civil discussion, then i'm not going to reply to your posts in regards to this matter beyond this.

i don't mind in the slightest if you try to dispute my points, it wouldn't be a discussion if you all immediately listened to what i said. but please, if you aren't going to take this seriously, there's no need to get involved.

[Akio-]

do you like my posts poliwhirl

[Poliwhirl]

do you like my posts poliwhirl

he boil

i like this one

[Decepticon]

interesting how i actually use sourced and logic-based discussion to try to convince some of you to consider my point of view, and you all fall back on the easier alternative of dismissing my argument completely.

when did i even argue with you in the first place? all i've said in all this was

there is a massive difference between the irish christian culture of the early 1900s and present day middle eastern islamic culture

which is a true thing, i haven't joined in this argument elsewhere

[Akio-]

i like this one

me too lol.. it is a very cash money post