POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Psych36]

fair enough, though the heart of the argument was really more so that those terror attacks are politically motivated, not religiously inspired
if your entire life is stuff and you're scared and you have no power to do anything about it, unconventional means are the natural progression. that's why protests, riots, and rebellions happen. they aren't going to want to change because these methods are all they can think to do. obviously that doesn't mean it's right, but people are a product of their environment above all else

Okay, but fear and stoning gays and rape victims to death while preventing the empowerment of women isn't an excuse and its obviously wrong. They aren't protesting for democracy or secularism they're quite content with their leadership. In most gulf countries the government provides a generous welfare to its native citizens, so these people don't have to work and contribute anything to society.

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[Psych36]

they dont want to. nobody truly wants to. but change isn't sparked by people suddenly deciding that they WANT to change their views. it takes time and other people explaining directly or indirectly why that kind of bigotry generally isn't accepted for people to realize that maybe they shouldn't think like that. i mean that hasn't TRULY happened for the general populous anywhere, so it might take quite some time, but i'm almost positive that it will begin to change. or maybe that's just optimism.it is my personal belief that the people who support her are either doing it to prevent a Annoying Orange presidency, dont care enough to support her/ pay attention beyond shes a woman and shes a clinton, or they are getting payed to support her and they just aren't getting payed enough to CONSISTENTLY support her.

And basically what I'm saying is until it changes and until we can find a proper way to vet those that come in we shouldn't have open border policies like the EU does. It would be reckless and impatient.

[Poliwhirl]

And basically what I'm saying is until it changes and until we can find a proper way to vet those that come in we shouldn't have open border policies like the EU does. It would be reckless and impatient.

okay but family values isn't the reason people are proposing closing the borders to muslims, it's terrorism. usually, if you take the muslims out of the malevolent environments of the middle-east, they will not grow up brainwashed by radical views, and if they're already an adult, it wont take too long for them to figure out that those radical beliefs were only instilled in them to keep them oppressed by fear. i don't think we should just let anyone walk in, obviously. i think if immigrants are inspected for possible terrorist ties they'll understand, considering where they came from. (everybody gets monitored by the nsa anyways, nothing new there.) but i don't think we should just bar every single immigrant out of the country like donald Annoying Orange suggests. that would only keep them in that toxic environment for longer, letting the problem fester, and let radical beliefs seep in.

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kimon is like the og jitank

[Frequency]

that's so kimon

[Cappytaino]

fair enough, though the heart of the argument was really more so that those terror attacks are politically motivated, not religiously inspired

agreed, as the definition of terrorism stipulates use of coercion or violence for POLITICAL gain, so of course the primary motivation of terrorism.

I think everyone can agree, however, that Wahhabist and Salafist ideology is incredibly dangerous, as it threatens to undo the social progress made in Western democracies.

[Kochieboy]

interesting how i actually use sourced and logic-based discussion to try to convince some of you to consider my point of view, and you all fall back on the easier alternative of dismissing my argument completely.

i left of my own accord (well 75% my own accord) last time, and i certainly didn't come back to argue with people who refuse to discuss a single thing beyond calling me a tumblr normie liberal cuck. i only began this discussion because certain things are important to me, like not being tribal, and i will try to explain why i think a certain post is tribal since it's one of the few things i can do to help lessen the presence of racism on this forum. if you guys aren't ready to actually engage in a normal, civil discussion, then i'm not going to reply to your posts in regards to this matter beyond this.

i don't mind in the slightest if you try to dispute my points, it wouldn't be a discussion if you all immediately listened to what i said. but please, if you aren't going to take this seriously, there's no need to get involved.

Then leave, you're not wanted here, nor your ideals. If you genuinely have a problem with that the door and the option to get banned again is right there.

[Drydess]

Then leave, you're not wanted here, nor your ideals. If you genuinely have a problem with that the door and the option to get banned again is right there.

what is he doing wrong, he's actually giving completely valid points
it's not like he's jumping into arguments with a flurry of insults and bringing nothing to the table

[Kochieboy]

what is he doing wrong, he's actually giving completely valid points
it's not like he's jumping into arguments with a flurry of insults and bringing nothing to the table

If you remember old kimon, this is only going to spiral into insanity in which there will be a drama and eventually he'll either a. get fed up, make more drama and leave or b. get fed up, make more drama and get banned. If he wanted to stay away, he should've kept to his promise in doing so.

[Poliwhirl]

If you remember old kimon, this is only going to spiral into insanity in which there will be a drama and eventually he'll either a. get fed up, make more drama and leave or b. get fed up, make more drama and get banned. If he wanted to stay away, he should've kept to his promise in doing so.

[Drydess]

If you remember old kimon, this is only going to spiral into insanity in which there will be a drama and eventually he'll either a. get fed up, make more drama and leave or b. get fed up, make more drama and get banned. If he wanted to stay away, he should've kept to his promise in doing so.

don't think i was there for old kimon but telling him to go away while he's doing fine doesn't do anything

[Kochieboy]

ftfy

[Poliwhirl]

ftfy

no you didnt. thats not the image i used.

[otto-san]

If you remember old kimon, this is only going to spiral into insanity in which there will be a drama and eventually he'll either a. get fed up, make more drama and leave or b. get fed up, make more drama and get banned. If he wanted to stay away, he should've kept to his promise in doing so.

yeah if you actively forgetin antagonize someone like that they might get a bit upset

nothin's even goin on right now, you can chill

[Psych36]

okay but family values isn't the reason people are proposing closing the borders to muslims, it's terrorism. usually, if you take the muslims out of the malevolent environments of the middle-east, they will not grow up brainwashed by radical views, and if they're already an adult, it wont take too long for them to figure out that those radical beliefs were only instilled in them to keep them oppressed by fear. i don't think we should just let anyone walk in, obviously. i think if immigrants are inspected for possible terrorist ties they'll understand, considering where they came from. (everybody gets monitored by the nsa anyways, nothing new there.) but i don't think we should just bar every single immigrant out of the country like donald Annoying Orange suggests. that would only keep them in that toxic environment for longer, letting the problem fester, and let radical beliefs seep in.

That's the problem though we can't really know what we're getting there is no good screening process and Hillary practically has an open asylum policy. I disagree with you here.

 But in response to Kochie he's not being a problem he feels a certain way about this issue but he's not really being toxic about it so I don't see a reason to attack him for his opinion