POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[ZombieDude]

I just think that if you're going to bar people from entering the country, you should pick criteria that we don't hold as self-evident rights. Like being a loving terrorist.

is there some kind of terrorist-test you can just do to find out if someone is a terrorist? they won't tell you because of taqiyya (and because they're not handicapped), and it's really hard to distinguish a normal person from a terrorist. you can't do that (unless they literally have a Self Delete vest on)

islam is the ONLY religion (unless you think one christian bombing an abortion clinic makes them at the same terror level as islam, which it doesn't) where that kind of wide-scale terror activity even happens, and letting in thousands of muslims is going to escalate that problem to the point where a lot of people would be scared as forget to go outside. it's already happening in germany and sweden. blocking these people from coming in is a very easy way to make sure nothing bad happens that wasn't happening before. islam is literally incompatible with western society at that kind of level. the perfect place for them to be is in the middle east like in saudi arabia, which is already 99% islamic and has lots of land for refugees to stay.

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[Drydess]

well you'd have to be a damn good liar to fool a good psych eval so there's your terrorist test

[$trinick]

is there some kind of terrorist-test you can just do to find out if someone is a terrorist? they won't tell you because of taqiyya (and because they're not handicapped), and it's really hard to distinguish a normal person from a terrorist. you can't do that (unless they literally have a Self Delete vest on)

No, you can't swab someone's throat and test them for being a terrorist. That's unfortunate, but it's something that we have to deal with. You can't just block everything related to something you don't want because it will do a better job weeding out the bad stuff than targeting just bad things. Take for example child research sharing websites. I hope we can all pretty much agree that they shouldn't be allowed to operate. However, the correct way to prevent them from operating isn't to block all websites. It's the same issue with gun control: you can't predict with great accuracy whether or not someone is buying a rifle to kill people or to shoot at a target at a shooting range. But we don't stop everyone from getting guns.

[Tezuni 2.0]

Islam in a literal interpretation is a savagely violent, inhuman ideology.  
You could easily argue the same thing for Christianity, old testament considered.

Yet for some reason there's immeasurably more radicalized followers of the former group.
I would not, for the sake of remaining politically correct and un-offending, welcome any self proclaimed Muslim refugee into the country.
It's just not a risk I'm willing to take, call me selfish.

Now, an educated Muslim who speaks our language fluently, I would have no qualms with.
It's just common sense.

[Drydess]

yea it is pretty damn selfish to turn away decent people who spent hard work getting them and their families across the ocean for their safety, for your safety

[Tezuni 2.0]

yea it is pretty damn selfish to turn away decent people who spent hard work getting them and their families across the ocean for their safety, for your safety

Uneducated, hostile Islamist refugees simply aren't our responsibility.  
Also, for our own safety?  What?

[Drydess]

They simply aren't our responsibility. 
Also, for our own safety?  What?

for your safety
you don't want islam immigrants because you think they're automatically dangerous

also saying that they aren't your responsibility is as good as isolationism

[ZombieDude]

Take for example child research sharing websites. I hope we can all pretty much agree that they shouldn't be allowed to operate. However, the correct way to prevent them from operating isn't to block all websites. It's the same issue with gun control: you can't predict with great accuracy whether or not someone is buying a rifle to kill people or to shoot at a target at a shooting range. But we don't stop everyone from getting guns.

it's MUCH easier to tell a child research website from a normal website (and far easier to take down unless its on tor) than it is to tell a terrorist refugee from a normal refugee. and we're not talking about just the normal population of muslims, this is a rapid influx of muslims that have already shown themselves to be terrible for our country. gun control isn't really the same thing because it's not the guns that are the problem, it's the people who get them. you regulate the selling of guns and make sure they aren't insanely easy to get, not banning guns outright. besides, a refugee ban would only be temporary until we have a proper way to vet the refugees

[IkeTheGeneric]

Yet for some reason there's immeasurably more radicalized followers of the former group.

It's an incredibly popular old-world religion that seems to be dominant in war-torn and/or poverty stricken areas rampant with violence, political oppression and extreme lack of education. I'd argue that if you replaced the Islamic religion with any mainstream religion in this sense and you'd see the same effect.

Sure, the koran is loving strange and has a lot of questionable things, but I don't believe for a second that this is factor alone promotes terrorism.

[Tezuni 2.0]

for your safety
you don't want islam immigrants because you think they're automatically dangerous

also saying that they aren't your responsibility is as good as isolationism

North Korea is an isolationist country.  Barring a radicalized religious group is not even close.

[JitankIsFag]

Islam in a literal interpretation is a savagely violent, inhuman ideology.  
You could easily argue the same thing for Christianity, old testament considered.

Yet for some reason there's immeasurably more radicalized followers of the former group.
I would not, for the sake of remaining politically correct and un-offending, welcome any self proclaimed Muslim refugee into the country.
It's just not a risk I'm willing to take, call me selfish.

Now, an educated Muslim who speaks our language fluently, I would have no qualms with.
It's just common sense.

That's fine, but don't expect to have other counties to aid us if we were to unfortunately have terrorist take over. you can be educated an a terrorist just as you can be non-educated and a decent human.

Fyi, if you go back in history, you'll notice that the followers of Christianity wasn't so pleasant.

[Drydess]

North Korea is an isolationist country.  Barring a radicalized religious group is not even close.

closing borders to a great deal of population flow is pretty isolationist imo
not saying that it would make america isolationist but it is an isolationist concept

[IkeTheGeneric]

it's MUCH easier to tell a child research website from a normal website (and far easier to take down unless its on tor) than it is to tell a terrorist refugee from a normal refugee.

Are you sure about this? What's your authority on this topic?

[ZombieDude]

Are you sure about this? What's your authority on this topic?

if it has a lot of child research on it it's a child research website. if it doesn't its not a child research website. what criteria like that is there to determine who is a terrorist?

[Akio-]

it's MUCH easier to tell a child research website from a normal website

can confirm