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Author Topic: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD  (Read 2858957 times)

can anyone explain obama's beef with russia? it seems like all of a sudden he's stuffting on russia pretty hard (new sanctions, kicking out 35 ambassadors) over "election hacking" which he has provided absolutely no proof of beside the fbi saying "yea we think they hacked the election".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation


can anyone explain obama's beef with russia? it seems like all of a sudden he's stuffting on russia pretty hard (new sanctions, kicking out 35 ambassadors) over "election hacking" which he has provided absolutely no proof of beside the fbi saying "yea we think they hacked the election".
i should hope that the FBI is a trustworthy enough source of information for the president to act upon. you might not think so, but then you aren't the president.

can anyone explain obama's beef with russia? it seems like all of a sudden he's stuffting on russia pretty hard (new sanctions, kicking out 35 ambassadors) over "election hacking" which he has provided absolutely no proof of beside the fbi saying "yea we think they hacked the election".
I don't think you're actually asking this question to hear an answer. it sounds like you already have your mind made up.

but if you do want an answer, there's a laundry list of grievances obama's got against putin, and this lameduck period is his chance to stop being diplomatic and start being aggressive. he doesn't have to worry about reelection or any other presidential metric. in about two weeks he won't be president, so he's setting the stage so Annoying Orange can't reconcile with russia without looking like a handicap

can anyone explain obama's beef with russia? it seems like all of a sudden he's stuffting on russia pretty hard (new sanctions, kicking out 35 ambassadors) over "election hacking" which he has provided absolutely no proof of beside the fbi saying "yea we think they hacked the election".
the president probably has more clearance to know confidential information than the media and entire us public and world

the president probably has more clearance to know confidential information than the media and entire us public and world

that kind of thinking is what caused the iraq war

that kind of thinking is what caused the iraq war
in any case, the idea that the president only knows as much as we know is silly, and asserting that obama has no idea how or why the fbi came to its conclusion is also silly

I don't think you're actually asking this question to hear an answer. it sounds like you already have your mind made up.

but if you do want an answer, there's a laundry list of grievances obama's got against putin, and this lameduck period is his chance to stop being diplomatic and start being aggressive. he doesn't have to worry about reelection or any other presidential metric. in about two weeks he won't be president, so he's setting the stage so Annoying Orange can't reconcile with russia without looking like a handicap
i guess i didnt make my exact question clear enough but what i am trying to ask is what exact proof was provided and what exactly was hacked that had enough impact to influence the entire election

i guess i didnt make my exact question clear enough but what i am trying to ask is what exact proof was provided and what exactly was hacked that had enough impact to influence the entire election

Anyone who has authority to make decisions on foreign policy has most likely received proof of the alleged election rigging. It is likely that the choice to abstain from showing evidence may stem from them trying to investigate a solution before whatever vulnerabilities can be further exploited, if there are any.

Anyone who has authority to make decisions on foreign policy has most likely received proof of the alleged election rigging. It is likely that the choice to abstain from showing evidence may stem from them trying to investigate a solution before whatever vulnerabilities can be further exploited, if there are any.
It's not like the president is part of a political party who has been pushing a narrative that russia has been helping their political enemy to try and gain votes, and is now using it to de-legimitize him now that they've lost the election.

I'm still waiting for not even proof, just allegations, of what they hacked because as of now, all I've heard is that they "hacked" the election. Like what does that mean? What specifically did they actually hack. This whole hacking thing just seems like the dems grasping at straws to make things as difficult as possible for republicans to do what they want to do.

I'm still waiting for not even proof, just allegations, of what they hacked because as of now, all I've heard is that they "hacked" the election. Like what does that mean? What specifically did they actually hack. This whole hacking thing just seems like the dems grasping at straws to make things as difficult as possible for republicans to do what they want to do.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/29/fbi-dhs-russian-hacking-report

https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

i never heard that they had "hacked the election," i thought it was clear from the start that it was just hacking in order to obtain information and then releasing it to wikileaks or whomever
« Last Edit: December 30, 2016, 08:21:14 PM by otto-san »

can anyone explain obama's beef with russia? it seems like all of a sudden he's stuffting on russia pretty hard (new sanctions, kicking out 35 ambassadors) over "election hacking" which he has provided absolutely no proof of beside the fbi saying "yea we think they hacked the election".

Turkey released proof that obama has been funding and arming CIA for years and he's trying to cause an international incident to distract from it. Russia is completely innocent.

I'm still waiting for not even proof, just allegations, of what they hacked because as of now, all I've heard is that they "hacked" the election. Like what does that mean? What specifically did they actually hack. This whole hacking thing just seems like the dems grasping at straws to make things as difficult as possible for republicans to do what they want to do.
"Hacking the election" is just an attempt to delegitimize the results.  The actual hacking was of the communications of one of Clinton's top aides, John Podesta, and of the DNC's server, and then the publishing of some of this information on Wikileaks, and elsewhere if memory serves.  Included in some of what was published were disparaging remarks Podesta made regarding Catholics/aspects of Catholicism.  Hacking attempts were also made on the RNC, but were either less determined or met stiffer defenses, and don't seem to have succeeded.  Speculated motives range from affecting the results of the election by swaying public opinion to having leverage against Clinton during her expected presidency to delegitimizing the election to any number of things.

To me it seems probable to definite that the Kremlin was behind the hacks.  Whether the Obama's response is merited or not I can't say as I haven't looked into historical precedents (if they indeed exist).  What is unfortunate is that Obama's actions are more than likely politically motivated, and even if they weren't they'd be looked on as such.