POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[SeventhSandwich]

so we will force the doctor, who has invested 200k and many years of their time to learn medicine, to provide care for free, against their will, sounds reasonable /s

what the forget are you talking about? that's not how medical insurance works at all

countries with free healthcare offer a single-payer system that is subsidized by the government and funded by tax money. the doctors are paid no more or no less than they would in a normal economy. the only part of the economy that actually becomes publicly owned is the part that pays out money for the healthcare. all the doctors and pharmaceutical companies are still 100% private.

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drumpf is FINISHED! how will he ever recover!

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[Nickelob Ultra]

what the forget are you talking about? that's not how medical insurance works at all

countries with free healthcare offer a single-payer system that is subsidized by the government and funded by tax money. the doctors are paid no more or no less than they would in a normal economy. the only part of the economy that actually becomes publicly owned is the part that pays out money for the healthcare. all the doctors and pharmaceutical companies are still 100% private.

Don't bother, most anti-ACA/"Obamacare" people are so ignorant on reality that they're complacent in being convinced that a black guy's health care plan is the work of the devil, even if they do benefit from it anyway.

I'm like 99.9% confident there's no validity to this but is there any credible source on this stuff?  I've seen it blow up over the past 12 hours and I'm deadly curious because I have just about zero time to do that research.

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[Foxscotch]

Capitalism is inherently altruistic. If I want to eat, I have to give someone a useful good or service in exchange for money to buy food and clothe and house myself. I have to distribute my talent or wealth to gain anything.

well if you're doing it for personal gain (even if that personal gain is just basic survival) then it literally isn't altruism

[extremely extreme]

Don't bother, most anti-ACA/"Obamacare" people are so ignorant on reality that they're complacent in being convinced that a black guy's health care plan is the work of the devil, even if they do benefit from it anyway.

Yea, just because my family was Obamacare for 2+ years and then had to go the past year without any health insurance because they raised the prices by 300%, just because I experienced left-wing medical policies first-hand, just because I OPPOSE you, means I'm "ignorant on reality". Give me a loving break, bozo.

[AndroFox]

Capitalism is inherently altruistic. If I want to eat, I have to give someone a useful good or service in exchange for money to buy food and clothe and house myself. I have to distribute my talent or wealth to gain anything.

we will be altruistic and give you food as long as you have to the money :^)

[extremely extreme]

we will be altruistic and give you food as long as you have to the money :^)

Yeah, that's how it works. Instead of in Communism where no one gets to eat. Compare how many Americans die in the street from starvation vs Cuba. I'm waiting.

[Cappytaino]

what the forget are you talking about? that's not how medical insurance works at all

countries with free healthcare offer a single-payer system that is subsidized by the government and funded by tax money. the doctors are paid no more or no less than they would in a normal economy. the only part of the economy that actually becomes publicly owned is the part that pays out money for the healthcare. all the doctors and pharmaceutical companies are still 100% private.

But again, we would have to raise taxes to do so. The top marginal income tax rate in countries in which similar social programs have been implemented can be as much as 60%, not including VAT, estate taxes in Denmark, 42% tax on capital gains, etc. These ludicrous tax rates are what they have to charge to subsidize their social probrams while spending very little on defense. Seeing as all Scandinavian countries with the exception of Norway spend next to nothing on defense, they instead rely largely on the US and NATO to defend them should they be threatened. We can't just stop paying our defense budget, so odds are we would pay similar rates or higher should we adopt similar programs.

The US government also can't even run the VA properly, so what leads you to believe that running a healthcare system that exponentially greater in scale would be manageable for them?

Yeah, that's how it works. Instead of in Communism where no one gets to eat. Compare how many Americans die in the street from starvation vs Cuba. I'm waiting.

Or Venezuela, they're a good example as well.

[AndroFox]

Yeah, that's how it works. Instead of in Communism where no one gets to eat. Compare how many Americans die in the street from starvation vs Cuba. I'm waiting.

why are you giving me your homework

[extremely extreme]

why are you giving me your homework

perfect example of a commie, he doesn't want to do any work

[AndroFox]

perfect example of a commie, he doesn't want to do any work

he doesn't agree with me! must be a COMMIE, enemy of FREEDOM!!

this guy who is arguing altruism is the same person who said they don't care about the life of a "dime-a-dozen Syrian"

you understand nothing about altruism

[Poliwhirl]

Yeah, that's how it works. Instead of in Communism where no one gets to eat. Compare how many Americans die in the street from starvation vs Cuba. I'm waiting.

socialism =/= communism and, unless im mistalen, cuba was incredibly poor to begin with, so it wouldn't have worked out either way.

and if you want to get technical, there are currently 45 million americans living in poverty. that's more than the entire population of cuba.