POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Red Spy]

Which is why we shouldn't strike the sites.

We're not going to strike the sites

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[PhantOS]

We're not going to strike the sites

Question:   Should Annoying Orange strike N. Korea nuclear sites?

i was responding to the poll

[Insert Name Here²]

We'd be killing civilians

they're not civilians

if they have a job in the military, they're not a loving civilians

[PhantOS]

they're not civilians

if they have a job in the military, they're not a loving civilians

you're right; they're non-combatants, which civilians are also part of.

Killing a noncombatant is a war crime. It's hard to say whether or not Kim the Nuclear Scientist or Song the Truck Driver would fall into the 'civilian' category exactly, but they're still protected as one, by international law.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule3

“persons who are members of the armed forces but do not have any combat mission, such as judges, government officials and blue-collar workers, are non-combatants”

the majority of the nuclear site staff would be blue-collar workers

[Alternat¡ve]

violating international human rights.

Kind of like North Korea is doing right now with its national socialist style concentration camps?

[PhantOS]

Kind of like North Korea is doing right now with its national socialist style concentration camps?

how is violating human rights going to stop them from violating human rights? in what world is it alright to commit war crimes as long as someone else is doing it?

if intel confirms that there's some stuff going down there, the US should definitely do something about it. However, killing civilians isn't going to help us or the people who are trapped in these national socialist concentration camps

[Alternat¡ve]

how is violating human rights going to stop them from violating human rights? in what world is it alright to commit war crimes as long as someone else is doing it?

if intel confirms that there's some stuff going down there, the US should definitely do something about it. However, killing civilians isn't going to help us or the people who are trapped in these supposed national socialist concentration camps

I never said we should commit war crimes. However your ideology of "let them do whatever they want as long as they don't attack anyone" will bite you in your ass one day.

[PhantOS]

I never said we should commit war crimes. However your ideology of "let them do whatever they want as long as they don't attack anyone" will bite you in your ass one day.

My ideology is "let's not escalate to violence until they escalate to violence" which is entirely different. There are advanced politics and massive operations that go into dealing with human rights violations, and i'm no expert at it.

Human Rights Watch already has a whole article on it, but these are the same people that also speak out against capital punishment. Although I agree with them and oppose any sort of execution, torture or rape of political opponents, they are their own country and dictating how they should deal with their stuff is hypocritical coming from us.

[Alternat¡ve]

My ideology is "let's not escalate to violence until they escalate to violence" which is entirely different.

They are already escalating to violence by torturing their own people. They force mothers to drown their newborn babies. They feed the bodies to dogs. These torture camps have been around longer than national socialist and Stalin era camps. What you're saying is the exact same thing that people said in the '30s and '40s when Jews spoke out of national socialist atrocities.

[PhantOS]

They are already escalating to violence by torturing their own people. They force mothers to drown their newborn babies. They feed the bodies to dogs. These torture camps have been around longer than national socialist and Stalin era camps. What you're saying is the exact same thing that people said in the '30s and '40s when Jews spoke out of national socialist atrocities.

and what do you suggest the solution is? obviously, sitting around and doing nothing isn't an option, so what is?

[Tezuni 2.0]

We should definitely strike down all their nuke sites and show them who is boss in the world.

Their 'leader' is a blood thristy man-child dictator constantly flailing about with threats of destroying 'washington' and the 'us', on par with Iran. 
Except N. Korea has nukes.

We have to knock them back to the conventional weapon era.

[Insert Name Here²]

and what do you suggest the solution is? obviously, sitting around and doing nothing isn't an option, so what is?

according to you, nothing, because they haven't done anything violent to any other country

[PhantOS]

We should definitely strike down all their nuke sites and show them who is boss in the world.

Their 'leader' is a blood thristy man-child dictator constantly flailing about with threats of destroying 'washington' and the 'us', on par with Iran.  
Except N. Korea has nukes.

We have to knock them back to the conventional weapon era.

Kill thousands of human beings because of one incredibly roostery leader?

according to you, nothing, because they haven't done anything violent to any other country

I guess your 20/20 vision missed the post where I said we should impose sanctions and have the UN intervene. There's literally nothing else we can do as a country without violating international rights and literally becoming worse than North korea

[Alternat¡ve]

and what do you suggest the solution is? obviously, sitting around and doing nothing isn't an option, so what is?

I'm not a war general. However sitting idly and watching as another holocaust happens before our eyes is not right morally.

according to you, nothing, because they haven't done anything violent to any other country

Killed him

[Rally]

Kill thousands of human beings

for context: are you talking about innocent NK civilians? or are you talking about the NK military?