POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[PhantOS]

I'm not a war general. However sitting idly and watching as another holocaust happens before our eyes is not right morally.

I agree. Unfortunately, countries have their hands tied right now. Nuclear war is a threat against mankind holistically, so not much can be done from any side. Violence is literally the worst possible option in this conflict. The best would be to continue peace talks until some sort of deal can be worked out.

for context: are you talking about innocent NK civilians? or are you talking about the NK military?

The civilians & non-combatants, who once again, fall into the same category. Anyone who isn't an armed soldier

'military' is a misleading category, since it's true that they fall into the military, but they aren't directly contributing to hostilities and are therefore civilian status

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[Rally]

The civilians & non-combatants, who once again, fall into the same category. Anyone who isn't an armed soldier

what do they have to do with destroying nuclear and military assets mentioned in tezuni's post you quoted?

[PhantOS]

what do they have to do with destroying nuclear and military assets mentioned in tezuni's post you quoted?

Unless we utilize some new secret technology that allows us to destroy a nuclear facility without harming human beings, civilians are going to be killed, which is a violation of human rights.

[Insert Name Here²]

'military' is a misleading category, since it's true that they fall into the military, but they aren't directly contributing to hostilities and are therefore civilian status

working in a military related job =/= civilian

did you not read the definitions or are you doing this on purpose

[Nonnel]

it also isn't exactly right to be fine with Flash Mob just because they're soldiers. it's not like they have much of a choice. be a soldier or starve to death.

[Tezuni 2.0]

Kill thousands of human beings because of one incredibly roostery leader?

Sure.  
But it's because their leader is a danger to hundreds of millions abroad and a nightmarish reality to 25 million at home.

He executes people with anti aircraft guns, assassinates people internationally (even family), and starves his citizens while publicly executing those who do anything deemed remotely wrong.
He is a threat to everyone outside north korea.  If a nuke made it undetected to Japan, S. Korea, or Hawaii, etc.  Millions would die.

Killing a few thousand N. Korean government and military men is a small price to pay for eliminating such a danger.

[Rally]

it also isn't exactly right to be fine with Flash Mob just because they're soldiers. it's not like they have much of a choice. be a soldier or starve to death.

That would make more sense if these soldiers weren't raping and torturing civilians in prison camps

[PhantOS]

working in a military related job =/= civilian

did you not read the definitions or are you doing this on purpose

your google definitions aren't legally binding. Military jobs that are non-combatant are civilian jobs, operated by civilians, and are protected as civilians

Sure.  
But it's because their leader is a danger to hundreds of millions abroad and a nightmarish reality to 25 million at home.

He executes people with anti aircraft guns, assassinates people internationally (even family), and starves his citizens while publicly executing those who do anything deemed remotely wrong.
He is a threat to everyone outside north korea.  If a nuke made it undetected to Japan, S. Korea, or Hawaii, etc.  Millions would die.

Killing a few thousand N. Korean government and military men is a small price to pay for eliminating such a danger.

Having no regard for innocent life is something that a north korean dictator would do. You sound like your worst enemy right now, trying to justify human rights violations just because they are doing it too.

Taking real lives away from real families can't be justified by hypothetical threats. Killing people who are simply working for a wage, doing their job and not contributing at all to direct hostilities is the very definition of cold blooded murder

[Nonnel]

That would make more sense if these soldiers weren't raping and torturing civilians in prison camps

but naturally not every soldier works in prison camps, especially not the ones that are working at nuclear launch sites.

[Red Spy]

How loving messy of a war would we have to have to kill thousands of civilians

[Insert Name Here²]

Military jobs that are non-combatant are civilian jobs

"military jobs are civilian jobs"

the forget are you doing

[Tezuni 2.0]

your google definitions aren't legally binding. Military jobs that are non-combatant are civilian jobs, operated by civilians, and are protected as civilians
Having no regard for innocent life is something that a north korean dictator would do. You sound like your worst enemy right now, trying to justify human rights violations just because they are doing it too.

Taking real lives away from real families can't be justified by hypothetical threats.

You'd be the guy in the classic railroad experiment that won't divert a train heading toward 100 people tied to a track toward the path with one guy tied to it.

[Rally]

Does this extend from your whole "all life is precious" spiel? Like the life of a rapist/torturer NK prison guard is precious and he should be allowed to continue doing horrific things to people because "killing is bad" or whatever?

but naturally not every soldier works in prison camps, especially not the ones that are working at nuclear launch sites.

I wonder how many of these "soldiers by force" would defect to US forces if we actually had positions for them to defect to

[Alternat¡ve]

How loving messy of a war would we have to have to kill thousands of civilians

tell that to the tens of thousands of civilians the U.S has killed in the Middle East.

[PhantOS]

You'd be the guy in the classic railroad experiment that won't divert a train heading toward 100 people tied to a track toward the path with one guy tied to it.

More like "kill 1 person or hypothetically kill 100 people". I would clearly take the second option because it's purely hypothetical and hasn't happened, and is not likely to actually happen.

Does this extend from your whole "all life is precious" spiel? Like the life of a rapist/torturer NK prison guard is precious and he should be allowed to continue doing horrific things to people because "killing is bad" or whatever?

I'm sure the nuclear scientists and technicians doing their job in those nuclear facilities are the scum of the earth, raping every woman and torturing every child they see.

"military jobs are civilian jobs"

the forget are you doing

quoting the geneva conventions