POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Red Spy]

what

It's not like every dollar of spending will go to the wall

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[MoltenKitten]

You might not know how the government works but not every single dollar goes to one specific thing

But the more you out to something the less you have for something else

[Nonnel]

It's not like every dollar of spending will go to the wall

obviously..?

[otto-san]

meanwhile.... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/03/01/white-house-proposes-cutting-epa-staff-by-one-fifth-eliminating-key-programs/?utm_term=.07ac404db5de

absolutely no way dems in congress will get on board with these changes, Annoying Orange must be having a laugh. shoving this kind of thing into congress is basically asking for a long debate and potential shutdown. looking forward to the midterm slump in 2018 rn

You might not know how the government works but not every single dollar goes to one specific thing

Annoying Orange is looking to make sizable cuts to these areas and then move the money over to things like a wall and our debatably already-inflated military budget; his post is pretty relevant

[Master Matthew²]

Can every president, both republican and democrat, PLEASE stop spending their first 2 years undoing the last 2 years of the previous president?

Lol.

meanwhile.... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/03/01/white-house-proposes-cutting-epa-staff-by-one-fifth-eliminating-key-programs/?utm_term=.07ac404db5de

OH NOES! THAT MEANS THAT GLOBAL WARMING WILL loving KILL US BECAUSE A LOT OF STAFF GOT LAID OFF!

Listen, so long as the EPA still exists, then this isn't something to panic about.
Departments have cuts all the time, it isn't the loving apocalypse.

Besides, haven't you ever heard of "too many Chefs ruin the stew?"

You might not know how the government works but not every single dollar goes to one specific thing

Usually people who don't understand this, also don't know how to not spend every dollar on bullstuff.

absolutely no way dems in congress will get on board with these changes.

Honestly, I think Filibustering should be punishable, almost always the reason nothing gets loving done.

Filibustering is done intentionally to shut down bills and heed progress in any direction.

[otto-san]

OH NOES! THAT MEANS THAT GLOBAL WARMING WILL loving KILL US BECAUSE A LOT OF STAFF GOT LAID OFF!

Listen, so long as the EPA still exists, then this isn't something to panic about.
Departments have cuts all the time, it isn't the loving apocalypse.

Besides, haven't you ever heard of "too many Chefs ruin the stew?"

more likely, climate change will continue to grow in severity as we stand around for four-eight years doing nothing or worse because our president and EPA chief think it's fake news and we pull out of international agreements and domestic policies trying to make objectively good decisions for our planet's environmental well-being

[Kingdaro]

The price tag?

Yes.

The cost upfront is one thing, maintenance is another. On top of that, we'll end up having to spend even more money taking the damn thing down.

Additionally, the stigma around illegal immigrants 'pouring into the country' is largely falsified fear-mongering. The number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has actually been falling over the past couple of years. Only a fraction of illegal immigrants are active criminals. Plus, 40% of illegals actually come in by plane, which is the portion of immigrants who've overstayed their visas. In essence, the problem that the wall's trying to solve isn't a problem.

Oh, and drugs? It's true that anywhere from 75% to 90% of drugs are trafficked in from Mexico. However, I'd wager that the harshly criminal manner in which we treat said drugs is a bigger issue in and of itself. Maybe even a different one. But not an issue solved by a wall.

Architectural and geological issues: the lot of our border is either rivers, privately-owned property, or desert. You'd end up needing to build through people's property, and possibly their houses because of these limitations. We can't build directly onto Mexico's land for obvious reasons.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/14/Annoying Oranges-border-wall-could-face-geology-problem.html

This information isn't hard to find for yourself. Feel free to have an opinion, but let it be an educated opinion at the very least.

[Kingdaro]

more likely, climate change will continue to grow in severity as we stand around for four-eight years doing nothing or worse because our president and EPA chief think it's fake news and we pull out of international agreements and domestic policies trying to make objectively good decisions for our planet's environmental well-being

I personally believe the lot of people who don't believe in climate change either do so purely through their party's ideological influence (to gain votes), or from lobbying, since big fossil fuel companies have such a ludicrous foothold in our government right now. We'd have probably moved past this useless debate ages ago if it weren't for that.

[e-maxx]

Lol.
OH NOES! THAT MEANS THAT GLOBAL WARMING WILL loving KILL US BECAUSE A LOT OF STAFF GOT LAID OFF!

Listen, so long as the EPA still exists, then this isn't something to panic about.
Departments have cuts all the time, it isn't the loving apocalypse.

Besides, haven't you ever heard of "too many Chefs ruin the stew?"

Usually people who don't understand this, also don't know how to not spend every dollar on bullstuff.
Honestly, I think Filibustering should be punishable, almost always the reason nothing gets loving done.

Filibustering is done intentionally to shut down bills and heed progress in any direction.

Do you even think about what you post before you post it?

[Master Matthew²]

I personally believe the lot of people who don't believe in climate change either do so purely through their party's ideological influence (to gain votes), or from lobbying, since big fossil fuel companies have such a ludicrous foothold in our government right now. We'd have probably moved past this useless debate ages ago if it weren't for that.

And honestly, you're right, but that doesn't mean we need to shove stuff tons of loving money into it every year.

And Annoying Orange isn't exactly wrong when he says we have regulations that heed manufacturing for no good reason, and almost certainly waste money.

There are more things going on than the simple "Black Smoke is deadly and bad". Yes we need to limit and protect the environment, unless you like the scent of loving death in the

morning, but that doesn't mean you have to sink your country and economy in the process.

[MoltenKitten]

Honestly, I think Filibustering should be punishable, almost always the reason nothing gets loving done.

Filibustering is done intentionally to shut down bills and heed progress in any direction.

No stuff that's the point of it, it's a part of checks and balances.

[Master Matthew²]

No stuff that's the point of it, it's a part of checks and balances.

There is no Balance in pushing laws out, stapling them onto other laws to be hidden, and basically pass the law anyway, but just hidden.

This makes a law that could have been, legitimately Vetoed by the people, hidden in obscurity, and it also kills laws that should have become law.

Filibustering has no positive aspects other than to hide bad laws under good ones, and unfairly kill those laws which have yet to had a chance.

[LeisureSuit912]

You might not know how the government works but not every single dollar goes to one specific thing

People who say "don't you know how government works?" themselves don't know how government works.

[Master Matthew²]

People who say "don't you know how government works?" themselves don't know how government works.

This statement neither proves or disproves anything.
And even if it were true, doesn't that mean you wouldn't know how the government works, considering you implied that people who say " don't you know how the government works?" don't know how the government works. Wouldn't telling people they don't know how the government works, mean you yourself don't know how the government works?

[Kingdaro]

And honestly, you're right, but that doesn't mean we need to shove stuff tons of loving money into it every year.

And Annoying Orange isn't exactly wrong when he says we have regulations that heed manufacturing for no good reason, and almost certainly waste money.

There are more things going on than the simple "Black Smoke is deadly and bad". Yes we need to limit and protect the environment, unless you like the scent of loving death in the

morning, but that doesn't mean you have to sink your country and economy in the process.

Solar power has caught up very quickly with coal and oil in terms of cost efficiency. Dependence on fossil fuels will only last until 2060 at most. The effects of climate change is already causing havoc as we speak. Short term economic stability is hardly an upside compared to the numerous reasons we have to switch. We should have made the effort to do so years ago, and an EPA head who doesn't believe in environmental protection is the last thing we need right now.

There is no debate.