POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Bisjac]

no one was dieing in the streets before obamacare. but they want you to think it will happen if removed lol.

[Ad Bot]

[Tactical Nuke]

keep in mind the number that they initially came up with of people who will lose coverage if Obamacare is repealed is significantly smaller than the number of people who actually lost coverage due to the implementation of Obamacare

[Deus Ex]

I think the bill is gonna suck but we can stop with the PEOPLE WILL LITERALLY loving DIE IMMEDIATELY bullstuff? I sincerely doubt people are going to start dropping like flies if the new bill gets signed in. Not only that, they intentionally fudge the numbers of people who are losing their healthcare, and include people who are forced to get healthcare whether they want it or not, and people who have healthcare they can't even use because the premiums would nuke their wallet.
We can pick apart a stuffty healthcare bill without trying to fearmonger.

[Daswiruch]

single payer system when

[IkeTheGeneric]

no one was dieing in the streets before obamacare. but they want you to think it will happen if removed lol.

keep in mind the number that they initially came up with of people who will lose coverage if Obamacare is repealed is significantly smaller than the number of people who actually lost coverage due to the implementation of Obamacare

I think the bill is gonna suck but we can stop with the PEOPLE WILL LITERALLY loving DIE IMMEDIATELY bullstuff? I sincerely doubt people are going to start dropping like flies if the new bill gets signed in. Not only that, they intentionally fudge the numbers of people who are losing their healthcare, and include people who are forced to get healthcare whether they want it or not, and people who have healthcare they can't even use because the premiums would nuke their wallet.
We can pick apart a stuffty healthcare bill without trying to fearmonger.

lets play the "Guess who isn't going to lose coverage" game

[Deus Ex]

lets play the "Guess who isn't going to lose coverage" game

lets play the "Make assumptions about someone based on the things they say on the internet that aren't even tangentially related to their life situation" game

[PhantOS]

im sure that if even 1 person dies as a result of lost coverage that's a good enough reason to consider it an issue

[Deus Ex]

One singular person dying as a result of lost coverage is not a good reason to consider it an issue.

[PhantOS]

one is too many. you can't play that game with lives. if someone dies as a result of anything the logical thing to do is investigate how they died and make sure that doesn't happen again.

one person got decapitated by a toy helicopter, they recalled the toy completely. one person dies from taking a market brand medicine, they add a warning label. you can't just say one death isn't enough to become an issue and then move on, making zero changes whatsoever

[Mega-Bear]

One singular person dying as a result of lost coverage is not a good reason to consider it an issue.

The health and lives of many people is a pretty legit issue, if you ask me. If public policy decides whether a person lives or dies, I would hope our lawmakers approach the subject with more care than you're displaying.

[Deus Ex]

If one person dies because they lose their coverage that's a statistical outlier and not comparable to a situation where a toy helicopter manages to decapitate a toddler. There are hundreds of millions of people who will be under whatever the healthcare plan is. Saying it should be changed because ONE person dies is silly. If it works for everyone else but about a hundred people die, we should change it? I mean fine, sure, but then why is it when people complain about how Obamacare forgeted them, no one seems to care? Why the double standard?

[PhantOS]

i guess that's also worth considering too

[IkeTheGeneric]

lets play the "Make assumptions about someone based on the things they say on the internet that aren't even tangentially related to their life situation" game

>writing off people worried about losing coverage as "Fear mongering"

you're a special kind of starfish

[Deus Ex]

>writing off people worried about losing coverage as "Fear mongering"

you're a special kind of starfish

Except that's not what I did. I said the whole MIWWIONS WILL DIEEEEE thing is a bunch of fearmongering bullstuff. Millions will not die. Millions will lose their healthcare - then buy new healthcare. You people act like it's impossible to get health insurance without government interference. That's not the case. The only thing the government should do is make sure pre-existing conditions are covered. Opening up the market will allow for proper competition between insurance companies. People aren't going to just be stuck with paying for a company that will forget them if they use their insurance. Companies that do that will go under quick if they don't adjust their prices and premiums to compete with others. It's not rocket science. Stop acting like the only solution to anything is government involvement.

[Mega-Bear]

Except that's not what I did. I said the whole MIWWIONS WILL DIEEEEE thing is a bunch of fearmongering bullstuff.

Can you point me to a post where someone claims millions will die? I scrolled back a few pages, all I saw was SeventhSandwich say thousands might die in the wake of the affordable care act being repealed-- which is not fearmongering, that could be a fair estimate assuming a few thousand people are suddenly cut off from vital medications.