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Abortion is a right everyone has
79 (53%)
Abortion is OK in some situations
54 (36.2%)
Abortion should be banned
16 (10.7%)

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Author Topic: What is your opinion on Abortion  (Read 11950 times)

To me it doesn't even matter if they are babies or not, 20 weeks after conception most fetuses develop a majority of their pain receptors and many abortion methods are atrocious. I'm generally against abortion but I think it's fine in some cases.

There is no legitimate scientific support that proves a fetus can feel pain in the second half of pregnancy (as a matter of fact most neurologists agree that it is highly unlikely that pain can be felt before week 26, which is the beginning of the 3rd trimester)

but isn't it a really linear and self-focused way of thinking to take away the potential of a productive existence? especially after the fetus has developed to a certain point.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'linear' and 'self focused' in this context. Realistically every egg in the female body is 'potential productivity', on average a woman has around 300,000 eggs in her body, 90% of them will be lost by the age of 30. In america, on average every woman will give birth to two children in their entire lifetime. That's 299,998 eggs which are all 'potentially' a productive life. Nobody is worried about the potential productivity of these eggs. In regards to 'development to a certain point', 99% of all abortions are done before the 3rd trimester. Around 90% are done in the embryonic state. ~90% of these aborted pregnancies aren't even fetuses.

Most of abortions are performed in poverty stricken communities anyway. We can't determine whether or not these children will lead productive existences, and more often than not will bring burden to their perspective communities.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 03:08:10 PM by Rally »


can you buy and sell abortions

There is no legitimate scientific support that proves a fetus can feel pain in the second half of pregnancy (as a matter of fact most neurologists agree that it is highly unlikely that pain can be felt before week 26, which is the beginning of the 3rd trimester)

a lot of my concern really lies with that portion of the pregnancy anyway.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'linear' and 'self focused' in this context. Realistically every egg in the female body is 'potential productivity', on average a woman has around 300,000 eggs in her body, 90% of them will be lost by the age of 30. In america, on average every woman will give birth to two children in their entire lifetime. That's 299,998 eggs which are all 'potentially' a productive life. Nobody is worried about the potential productivity of these eggs.

well yeah but much like sperm, they don't really mean anything until fertilization occurs

Most of abortions are performed in poverty stricken communities anyway. We can't determine whether or not these children will lead productive existences, and more often than not will bring burden to their perspective communities.

well that's fair enough i guess
« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 03:22:37 PM by Frequency »

holy stuff chill what
what do you mean what? he dismissed rally's point with that snarky post of his just to get the last word in

holy stuff chill what
i dunno molten is being a tad thick

well yeah but much like sperm, they don't really mean anything until fertilization occurs
no. it is our duty to fertilize every egg.

every
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a lot of my concern really lies with that portion of the pregnancy anyway.

Then you oughta know that 3rd term abortions almost never happen (<1%), usually reserved for emergency or life threatening circumstances.



I'm pretty sure it's also illegal to get 3rd term abortions under most conditions, but is still an option in extreme cases.

well no wonder i didn't know why you said that i thought you were quoting me whoops :^0
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Then you oughta know that 3rd term abortions almost never happen (<1%), usually reserved for emergency or life threatening circumstances.

I'm pretty sure it's also illegal to get 3rd term abortions under most conditions, but is still an option in extreme cases.

well like i said earlier i think abortion is absolutely reasonable if the woman's life is in danger, so yeah

i'm just saying if i were a woman and this thing inside me finally had a heartbeat of its own, i wouldn't be comfortable backing out

but i mean you can't really hold someone accountable for not having that sentimentality. that's just them.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140116085105.htm

If the baby has developed neurons, then the neurons will have these in them.  Just an interesting thought.

heartbeat/brainwave argument isn't valid based on the moment it starts, by the way. reptiles, just as an example, also qualify under those conditions. the real question is exactly how strong are  those brainwaves?

all of my morals involving controversial biology are based upon a complex consciousness potentially coming under harm
« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 03:34:52 PM by Juncoph »

Jelly produces brainwaves equivalent to a living person.

Even after birth babies cannot see nor have conscious until a few weeks.