Bernie supports hillary clinton

[SeventhSandwich]

imo I give no stuffs about the mishandling of documents, but if it is intent in order to hide stuff, then you gotta look into it. if you throw out the emails you are throwing out all of that juicy bread crumbs that could've led to treason or even sinking the ship that is the clinton foundation.

They recovered all of the emails though. Outside of loony conspiracy theories, there's no reason why the FBI wouldn't indict her if they found that she was throwing out classified or top-secret information.

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[McZealot]

imo I give no stuffs about the mishandling of documents, but if it is intent in order to hide stuff, then you gotta look into it. if you throw out the emails you are throwing out all of that juicy bread crumbs that could've led to treason or even sinking the ship that is the clinton foundation.

you can go and search her emails online. it's literally meaningless garbage like "Jeff, I'm really gonna miss serving with you! Thanks so much for your help, and I'll always remember you as one of my best secretaries!"

[Decepticon]

^ hilarious and substantive response to well-reasoned and developed points.

well-reasoned and developed points alright then

Also anyone who thinks the Secretary of State should be imprisoned for mishandling documents is insane. It was dumb but honestly I don't think it has been nearly as bad as people have blown it up to be. GOP politicians do shadier and more malicious things every single day.

i don't know what you think they were, but i think you're underestimating the importance of how big it is. i believe this is a small part of the 4-hour long event in which FBI director james comey testified before congress

http://webmshare.com/VzmxZ (2 minutes & 51 seconds long)

incase you (and i know other people do this) don't want to watch a whole 2 minutes and 51 seconds, i'll go ahead and create some logs for you. mccullough is an intelligence community inspector general, and is with the ODNI.

Chaffetz: Mr. McCullough?
McCullough: Certainly, I can provide you what, uh.. I think we have provided Congress with everything that we had, uh, we can certainly-.. It's over in Senate Security, we provided it to SSCI I believe, and we have also-..
Chaffetz: Can you provide this committee, in a secure format, um.. The classified e-mails?
McCullough: I can to a certain extent, I cannot provide a certain.. Segment of them, because the agency that owns the information for those e-mails has limited the distribution on those, so they're characterizing them as 'ORCON'.
Chaffetz: What- Explain what ORCON is.
McCullough: Originator Control, so I can't, uh, I can't give them to even Congress without getting the agency's permission to provide them.
Chaffetz: Which agency?
McCullough: I can't say that in an open hearing, sir.
Chaffetz: So you can't even tell me which agency won't allow us, as members of Congress, to see something that Hillary Clinton allowed someone without a security clearance, in a non-protected format, to see, that's correct?
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Chaffetz: Can you generally tell me-.. Uh, is it, because they're so sensitive about.. Signal's(?) intelligence, human's intelligence, what..?
McCullough: We shouldn't get into the.. The content of these e-mails in an open hearing, I'd..
Chaffetz: Okay, alright, alright-.. I don't wanna violate that, but the concern is it has already been violated, and it has been violated by Hillary Clinton. And it was her choice, she set it up, and she created this problem, and she-.. Created this mess, we shouldn't have to go through this, but she did that.
McCullough: This' the-.. This' the segment of e-mails that, uh, I had to have people in my office read in to particular programs to even see these e-mails, we didn't- we didn't possess the required clearances-..
Chaffetz: So even the Inspector General for ODNI didn't even have the requisite security clearances?
McCullough: Right, that's correct. I had to get read-ins for them.
Chaffetz: [over McCullough] Wow, wow, wow-..
Chaffetz: Unbelievable, what a mess, um-.. I'll yield back.

to further bolster this, FBI director james comey has acknowledged hillary clinton gave non-cleared people access to classified information
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ0YEchTwEc

also as an extra, hillary clinton blamed white americans for the dallas shootings
https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/751542474972291072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qaeVwWr2eU

you can go and search her emails online. it's literally meaningless garbage like "Jeff, I'm really gonna miss serving with you! Thanks so much for your help, and I'll always remember you as one of my best secretaries!"

are you serious?

[SeventhSandwich]

http://webmshare.com/VzmxZ (2 minutes & 51 seconds long)

So, what are you concluding based on that transcript? It doesn't surprise me too much that an intelligence official would be extremely hush-hush when making recorded statements about the evidence in an on-going case. Anything he says is essentially on-the-book, so the nervousness and hesitated speech makes sense.

[Decepticon]

So, what are you concluding based on that transcript? It doesn't surprise me too much that an intelligence official would be extremely hush-hush when making recorded statements about the evidence in an on-going case. Anything he says is essentially on-the-book, so the nervousness and hesitated speech makes sense.

me neither, i'm just saying that i believe it's more than what zealot is really making it down to be, i'm not going to go full-conspiracy nut so i don't want to make drastic accusations, but it seems like he's downplaying the e-mails to just

"Jeff, I'm really gonna miss serving with you! Thanks so much for your help, and I'll always remember you as one of my best secretaries!"

[SeventhSandwich]

me neither, i'm just saying that i believe it's more than what zealot is really making it down to be, i'm not going to go full-conspiracy nut so i don't want to make drastic accusations, but it seems like he's downplaying the e-mails to just

I don't feel like there's really any excuse to use a personal email server as your primary means of correspondence when serving as Secretary of State. I just think it reflects a level of professional incompetence more than a criminal offense. 

[McZealot]

just because information is classified does not mean it is the key for al-queda to pull off 9/11 2. go on wikileaks. most of that stuff is so inconsequential its not even interesting. and these emails didnt even get publicly leaked. it's just incompetence, and I think the only thing that needs to happen is for her to keep her emails secure in the future--which I'm sure she will , after this fiasco. acting like they should literally to to prison is delusional and insane.

[Khaz]

tbh wanting Annoying Orange to be president over ANYONE is just beyond me lol

[SeventhSandwich]

acting like they should literally to to prison is delusional and insane.

It kind of makes sense. I mean, if your political opponent is on the brink of getting indicted for a huge crime, then it makes sense to focus on that. It's like the liberals that are using the rape accusation against Annoying Orange as ammo, even though it's pretty much completely baseless.

[Decepticon]

I don't feel like there's really any excuse to use a personal email server as your primary means of correspondence when serving as Secretary of State. I just think it reflects a level of professional incompetence more than a criminal offense. 

i can see where you're coming from, and while i can also see why it shouldn't be considered a criminal offense, but the level of incompetence oin the handling of classified information is still pretty off-putting to me, and again, there can also be reasons why the FBI aren't indicting her right away
and also in a response to your post i missed;

They recovered all of the emails though. Outside of loony conspiracy theories, there's no reason why the FBI wouldn't indict her if they found that she was throwing out classified or top-secret information.

i'm hoping this doesn't sound too loony to you guys, but this is a post online that i found that pretty nicely summed up what i thought in better words than my own;

The way I understand it is the FBI is wary to recommend the DoJ to prosecute because it's simply that sensitive of a matter. The full extent of the Clinton Foundation/e-mail server being compromised would come to light and implicate too many powerful people. They don't want to indict the presumptive Democratic nominee of treason (that is for leaking secret access programs and compromising field agents).

go on wikileaks. most of that stuff is so inconsequential its not even interesting.

these are 50,547 pages of documents, i'm not sure if you looked through all them and just got 'meaningless garbage', and there's also still the unrevealed e-mails/documents that are kept from public viewing/hearing for a reason

[SeventhSandwich]

i'm hoping this doesn't sound too loony to you guys, but this is a post online that i found that pretty nicely summed up what i thought in better words than my own;

It's all pretty circumstantial since we don't have the full picture of what's going on behind the scenes. Since she wasn't indicted and there's no evidence that any field agents have been harmed as a result, I think it's fair to say that the email server doesn't make a huge difference.

Maybe if she was up against a more reasonable candidate, it would concern me more. But against Annoying Orange? It'll take way more than an email debacle.

[McZealot]

It kind of makes sense. I mean, if your political opponent is on the brink of getting indicted for a huge crime, then it makes sense to focus on that. It's like the liberals that are using the rape accusation against Annoying Orange as ammo, even though it's pretty much completely baseless.

I've never heard any sort of mainstream liberal use rape arguments against Annoying Orange. Was this the allegation made by his ex-wife during the divorce that she later retracted? I'm not even sure what you're talking about.

The thing is, 2/3 of the Annoying Orange supporters here are idiot disenfranchised Bernie Supporters. It's not like they are giving her stuff because they really want Annoying Orange to win, they are giving her stuff because it's cool to give Hillary Clinton stuff. just like it was cool to support Bernie Sanders.

all it shows is that most people online (especially here) have no real political identity and just go with the popular opinion.

[SeventhSandwich]

I've never heard any sort of mainstream liberal use rape arguments against Annoying Orange.

No clue about mainstream liberals. My sample size comes from liberals on my facebook page, of which there are several hundred.

The thing is, 2/3 of the Annoying Orange supporters here are idiot disenfranchised Bernie Supporters.

Among those, 3/4 are unable to vote or won't spend the time to vote anyway. Not a big deal.