73 year-old woman fatally shot by officer while role-playing police scenario

[NotBomberguy]

where's that gif of Florida being sawn off from the rest of the US mainland

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[Brickmaster]

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[Maxwell.]

rest in peace

[Rally]

If those damn white supremacist Illuminati soldiers (or "police" as fox news calls them) had the same rooty tooty shooty training that college professors do, they wouldn't of shot Harambe.

[Poliwhirl]

They've always been pretty incompetent? Your view of police officers is based on societal conditioning that's been going on for the past forty years or so, with an increasing pace. Your original point was that the average police officer is incompetent, but the average officer is entirely competent. You would simply see the number of "incompetent" officers dissolve if they received more training as they do in other countries.

how exactly is the average officer competent if the training they recieve isn't nearly sufficient enough? do they just learn how to become a competent officer by themselves, or has the average officer just not been in a scenerio that tests their training?

either way. the fact of the matter is that you cannot have competent police officers if the training is not sufficient enough to make someone competent. even if they dont get the opportunity to mess up horribly like this, they're still likely reinforcing bad things such as arresting people based on inaccurate or improperly facilitated drug tests.

[Ragequit]

how exactly is the average officer competent if the training they recieve isn't nearly sufficient enough? do they just learn how to become a competent officer by themselves, or has the average officer just not been in a scenerio that tests their training?

either way. the fact of the matter is that you cannot have competent police officers if the training is not sufficient enough to make someone competent. even if they dont get the opportunity to mess up horribly like this, they're still likely reinforcing bad things such as arresting people based on inaccurate or improperly facilitated drug tests.

the average officer doesn't accidentally shoot an old lady

[Frequency]

how exactly is the average officer competent if the training they recieve isn't nearly sufficient enough? do they just learn how to become a competent officer by themselves, or has the average officer just not been in a scenerio that tests their training?

either way. the fact of the matter is that you cannot have competent police officers if the training is not sufficient enough to make someone competent. even if they dont get the opportunity to mess up horribly like this, they're still likely reinforcing bad things such as arresting people based on inaccurate or improperly facilitated drug tests.

A majority of competence in any profession is based on common sense, the ability to reason, and experience. The lack of training for police officers in America doesn't help, but it doesn't keep them from being competent in general - on average. It's also unfair to assume that it's "likely" that they're reinforcing bad things when there isn't any extensive evidence for that, at least not that I've seen. Even if that were the case, it doesn't keep them from doing a majority of their job correctly:

the average officer doesn't accidentally shoot an old lady

Like that.

[Poliwhirl]

A majority of competence in any profession is based on common sense, the ability to reason, and experience. The lack of training for police officers in America doesn't help, but it doesn't keep them from being competent in general - on average. It's also unfair to assume that it's "likely" that they're reinforcing bad things when there isn't any extensive evidence for that, at least not that I've seen. Even if that were the case, it doesn't keep them from doing a majority of their job correctly:

Like that.

it's not just "likely" that they're inadvertantly reinforcing bad things, its a fact that the police are given incredibly unreliable methods for testing for drugs, and certainly aren't trained to know any better, especially since it helps get more people in jail.

and by the way, simply publishing facts and events that have definitely occured isnt creating a narrative, it's just informing the people that these things are happening. and the problem is that even ONE of these incidences is far too many, and should not have happened under any circumstances. which would definitely be helped a lot by actually decent training.

[Rally]

how exactly is the average officer competent if the training they recieve isn't nearly sufficient enough? do they just learn how to become a competent officer by themselves, or has the average officer just not been in a scenerio that tests their training?

What? Are you asking me if cops teach themselves how to be cops? They go to police academy. As for the scenario question, I read that only about 5.7% of officers end up actually firing their weapons during their careers and only 3.6% will end up killing their assailant. The vast majority of police arrests are drug crimes. Less than 5% of arrests are for violent crimes.

So, yeah. A very small minority of police will end up in life threatening scenarios where their weapons are used.

either way. the fact of the matter is that you cannot have competent police officers if the training is not sufficient enough to make someone competent. even if they dont get the opportunity to mess up horribly like this, they're still likely reinforcing bad things such as arresting people based on inaccurate or improperly facilitated drug tests.

You can't claim all cops are incompetent and then accuse them of running high-profile schemes to arrest innocent people and manage to keep it under wraps for decades lmfao. I'm not sure what that even has to do with police training. I'd advise that you stop reading sensationalist conspiracy theories because a hatred of police is going to do nothing but a disservice to you.

I still don't know what you expect to reform in police training. As a matter of fact I'm starting to believe that you don't really know what you're talking about. But by all means, I encourage you to walk down to your local PD and sit down with the chief, I'm sure he'd love to hear all your cool ideas of how we're going to make all cops not incompetent and prevent mistakes from ever happening again.

[RedGajin]

"firearm judgement" is gun safety training which is massively accessible to the general public, lol. Gun safety training is the same civilian-accessible bullstuff no matter if you get it at police academy or the gun range across the street. Police training involves physical training, tactics, law, lethal force, ect. There is very little you can add to modern gun safety courses. Accidents happen. You could teach every cop in the universe how to quick-scope and accidents will still happen, they'll just cost you more in tax dollars.

the training officers go through to handle firearms is more extensive then a firearm safety course to obtain your hunting license or something similar. anyone that is stupid enough to not unload their gun that they are pointing and firing at a civilian in a public dry-fire demonstration should NEVER be hired as a police officer. accidents happen but this is blatant stupidity. i know 10 year olds that have better judgement when it comes to handling guns then this officer did

[Frequency]

it's not just "likely" that they're inadvertantly reinforcing bad things, its a fact that the police are given incredibly unreliable methods for testing for drugs, and certainly aren't trained to know any better, especially since it helps get more people in jail.

So that is the case. Like I said, however, erroneous testing methods doesn't keep them from doing the rest of their job correctly, and the fact that most of the United States hasn't devolved into anarchy is decent proof of that.

and by the way, simply publishing facts and events that have definitely occured isnt creating a narrative, it's just informing the people that these things are happening. and the problem is that even ONE of these incidences is far too many, and should not have happened under any circumstances. which would definitely be helped a lot by actually decent training.

Blowing them out of proportion (not the florida lady getting shot thing, other things) is creating a narrative. You can inform people that things are happening without slanting the news to fit the message you're pushing. Grannies gettin' gashed is a tragedy, and this incident could have been prevented if police training was more extensive, but this says nothing about the average cop.

Plus, this is Florida we're talking about.

[Poliwhirl]

You can't claim all cops are incompetent and then accuse them of running high-profile schemes to arrest innocent people and manage to keep it under wraps for decades lmfao. I'm not sure what that even has to do with police training. I'd advise that you stop reading sensationalist conspiracy theories because a hatred of police is going to do nothing but a disservice to you.

i'm saying police are unknowing pawns, if anything, in this scenario. they aren't trained well enough to say "hm... this test doesnt seem right... this jolly rancher couldn't possibly be meth...". in fact i don't even think they're ALLOWED to question that. they're simply trained to arrest immediately once the test gives a positive, and the victim usually ends up taking a plea deal because they would only get in more trouble if they resisted. it's not a sensationalist conspiracy theory to acknowledge that officers are given inaccurate drug tests so that they arrest people, which gives the prisons and government more money. it's just something that objectively happens every day.

I still don't know what you expect to reform in police training. As a matter of fact I'm starting to believe that you don't really know what you're talking about. But by all means, I encourage you to walk down to your local PD and sit down with the chief, I'm sure he'd love to hear all your cool ideas of how we're going to make all cops not incompetent and prevent mistakes from ever happening again.

you would be right to say i don't have any solid ideas on how to improve the training, but i feel like most rational people would agree that whatever they're getting now isn't nearly enough. hopefully, after more attention is brought to the subject, police forces will actually be forced to do something about it.

and hey, maybe it isn't even the training. maybe they're just too lenient about who they let in, if there are so many cases of poor judgement similar to this one. perhaps some kind of judgement test, or stress testing would help.

[RedGajin]

i have a relative that went through training when he applied to a department and he said the physical requirements were abysmal and people literally walked the 2 mile "run" they had to do
not surprisingly those same people that walked were very out of shape

[Jairo]

i have a relative that went through training when he applied to a department and he said the physical requirements were abysmal and people literally walked the 2 mile "run" they had to do
not surprisingly those same people that walked were very out of shape

considering how fat a lot of officers are, that doesn't surprise me

[Poliwhirl]

considering how fat a lot of officers are, that doesn't surprise me

the donut industry is corrupting our justice system