Author Topic: Microsoft has accidentally leaked its "golden key" to Secure Boot  (Read 3961 times)

Secureboot first appeared in windows 8, so if it makes you feel safer you can go back to 7 which is still fully functional and has been since 2009.

Secureboot first appeared in windows 8, so if it makes you feel safer you can go back to 7 which is still fully functional and has been since 2009.
You're taking the piss, right? You can't be this stupid.

You're taking the piss, right? You can't be this stupid.
You cannot be more stupid. Windows is inherently flawed. Sure, there's great software, and 95% of our ecosystem revolves around it. But issues like this is greater reason for OPEN SOURCE software, as in the kernel, etc, and not like closed source bullstuff. There's a reason why the 5% of us like Linux, and that's because we know the code has been looked over many times by people that are better at programming then we are. And yes, sure. There are certain closed source aspects about Linux, but that is increasingly less marginal amounts compared to the entire OS being closed source, and with a open source system, everybody can feel safer knowing that stuff like this wont appear, and even then, won't stick around for long.

this wasn't even an arguement about linux wtf.



willy said go to windows 7 not convert to Linux

you're arguing the wrong point

this wasn't even an arguement about linux wtf.
The point HAS to be brought up. Closed source does not allow for remodification and or improvement. Open source is EONS ahead of this, with remodification and or improvement/deprovement being allowed.

The point HAS to be brought up. Closed source does not allow for remodification and or improvement. Open source is EONS ahead of this, with remodification and or improvement/deprovement being allowed.


Mcjob nor Willy were talking about linux, at all

You cannot be more stupid.
Says the one who picked an argument when I didn't even loving mention Linux.

I want to use an Operating System that gives the best and highest quality support for the applications I need and want to use on a daily basis. While security is an important factor, I simply don't believe that this issue is enough to say "Microsoft is evil, everybody jump to Linux!!!!", especially when it only affects users on certain devices and have UEFI enabled and when Linux simply PALES by loving miles in comparison to Windows in terms of what I need out of my computer.

Your "5%" pretentious bullstuff doesn't stack up. Just because something is "open" doesn't make it "good". Microsoft and Apple are extremely tough on who they hire, especially for working on the core of the Operating System. They have extremely smart and competent people, and I would wager (although I cannot prove it) that they have better people on staff than you would find at The Linux Foundation or at the groups which manage the various flavours.

You're also overlooking the fact that once source code goes open, anybody can read it. It's no longer just the top-tier of hackers and researchers with an expanse of knowledge and technical expertise who are able to penetrate the system; anybody with some basic knowledge of code who spends enough time sitting down reading will eventually find a security hole, and without good intentions they won't have any obligation to fix it or tell anybody. The only reason that Microsoft comes under such scrutiny and has so many viruses is because it's the biggest platform by market-share, which means that professional hackers who are looking to make money are going to focus on the big prize.

I'm sure there's plenty of parts in the Linux core that nobody talks about which are quite iffy.

Windows, Now adding backdoors since... When atleast Windows 8 was released. Or maybe it was in the late windows 7 era.

The solution: Windows 7 and Linux dual boot. I tried to install Ubuntu again (alongside windows this time) but bootmgr is missing apparently. Oops.

The solution: Windows 7 and Linux dual boot.
The solution to what?

If you hate Windows 10 so much, just loving use Linux or Windows 7 or whatever and stop complaining about it. We all know your opinions about computing are completely irrelevant, but it's now getting to a point where you're basically just trolling with a pretentious accent.

You never give any evidence to support your arguments; even Critawakets at least tries to explain why he doesn't like Windows 10 (although, everything he says gets quickly disproved under the slightest scrutiny of somebody who isn't biased against big companies). It's loving annoying.

Windows, Now adding backdoors since... When atleast Windows 8 was released. Or maybe it was in the late windows 7 era.

if it's win7 too then im basically forgeted

-opinions-

I didn't even mention windows 10, I was just saying that people who are concerned about it are best going for a 7/linux boot so they have a fully developed OS as well as a reliable open source one they can switch to and from at any time. Calm down, my dude.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2016, 03:52:53 AM by Willymcmilly »

Can someone explain to me what's going on here in non-computer related terms that I can understand.

I didn't even mention windows 10
Don't even pull this stuff. Anybody without wool in their eyes knows what you were discussing.

Can someone explain to me what's going on here in non-computer related terms that I can understand.
The most basic jist I can give is this; for certain devices using a thing called "Secure Boot", there's no way to disable it and it prevents you from installing other operating systems, mainly because in the flawed world of Secure Boot, doing so would allow hackers to install bootkits/rootkits (nasty types of viruses) onto your system. Microsoft has essentially accidentally leaked the code needed to disable Secure Boot, and so hackers now essentially have free access to install rootkits on compatible systems, and it's rumoured that there's no way to permanently fix the issue completely.