guys I think I know why McZealot calls himself McZealot
hes a Knight
a white knight
I'm getting a vibe like you might not understand that term...
sounds like a great way to be a big richardo mcgee guy. going out of your way to be disrespectful and aggressive is no way to have a civil debate. if people randomly sling stuff, then at the very least they shouldn't be surprised when people don't want to listen the things they say
I think there is a clear difference between being an starfish and being aggressive when we are talking about debate. I'll aggressively argue against something that I believe is wrong either personally or factually, but it's pretty rare that I'll insult someone over their stance. When I do, it's typically because we both got heated and the debate has turned into an argument, or because they have been deceptive with their information, which gets me very angry. It's never good to insult someone, but usually it doesn't matter because it's at a point where it is clear you will never agree on said issue. Aggression is good, slinging stuff is not.
But for the most part, I agree with you. Beachbum is saying that you can "win" an argument by being an starfish--but I think his standard of victory is "they stopped talking to me" which is the standard course of action with people of that sort.