[News] Electors Plot to Sabotage Donald Annoying Orange

[Flamecannon]

yes we are but we could be here better

I want this on a hat

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[Magus]

What about the cities in CA or NY?

Hm. Come to think of it, the electoral college pretty much makes the votes of rural conservatives in California not count, considering no matter how they vote, California will vote democrat.

[Jairo]

What about the cities in CA or NY?

those aren't comparable at all to ohio

ohio is a purple state, CA and NY are both strongly, strongly democratic

[Master Matthew²]

A couple states voting differently does not invalidate that. The point is, if you vote differently than your states leaning, 4/5ths of the time your vote has zero effect. It cannot and will not differentiate between a 49/51 split and a 1/99 split, and that's a huge problem.

Because forget the people, Right? If the people voted republican who cares if they dont get their vote.

Dude, that's not what the popular vote does. The popular vote makes sure the most people get who they voted for. Sure land is important too, but if 80% of your state is uninhabited then there's no reason to pay attention to all that uninhabited land. People are the main thing that matter in a country.

The popular vote focused on populated areas AKA the cities, and no unihabited land doesnt vote, people do.

Maybe your right about the campaigns not going to mostly empty states, but your saying that their votes should mean jack stuff. Sorry but the Us is a country of tinier countries we call states. We follow overarching laws, but each state has individual sets of laws, sets of people. But because they arent cluster forgeted with people in tiny biased areas, forget em, right?

[Magus]

Do any candidates go to Wyoming, Vermont, D.C., North Dakota, or Alaska even with the current system?

Edit: I hope we abolish the electoral college just so that Ohio isn't a swing state anymore. Tired of the constant ads every 4 years.

[Ipquarx]

Because forget the people

That's all I needed to hear, thanks. If your logic is "forget the people," nobody is going to be able to convince you otherwise.

[Master Matthew²]

That's all I needed to hear, thanks. If your logic is "forget the people," nobody is going to be able to convince you otherwise.

Okay smartass, you can rewrite something directed as my interpretation of their point of view, have fun, go full CNN

[Nickpb 4.0]

Okay smartass, you can rewrite something directed as my interpretation of their point of view, have fun, go full CNN

Don't pull the victim card you literally have zero room to do such a thing.

also why do you expect people to take you seriously when you make posts like this? "Go full CNN" like stop trying to troll then acting like you don't deserve the massive wave of hate you get


You're a stuff stain on the doormat to the blockland forums matt and you really need to step back and think or just log off the site

[Ipquarx]

Okay smartass, you can rewrite something directed as my interpretation of their point of view, have fun, go full CNN

Oh that was your interpretation of my point of view? Jesus christ that was worded poorly, and holy strawman, batman! 2.5 million more people voted for Clinton than Annoying Orange.

Annoying Orange got the minority vote. If anything is closer to "forget the people", it's minority vote rules. But even then, I'm kind enough to not make that my argument. On top of that, it's impossible to please everybody in an election. Smaller states have less people, so they have less voting power. That makes sense when we treat everybody as equals. And as I've said in another thread already:

No reasonable candidate would ever ignore approximately half the US population, and pretty much every candidate ever skips over at least a few states during their campaigning, talking little to no policy about said states and maybe not even visiting them once. Annoying Orange and Clinton are included in this. That's right, even with the electoral college, many states gets left out anyways. That's because it's just not feasible or sensible for the candidates to equally pay attention to all the states.

If the "goal" of the electoral college is to get candidates to pay more attention to more states, then it's failed. All it's done is shifted a bunch of the attention from a few big states to a few swing states. Equal numbers of states still get ignored.

[Master Matthew²]

Don't pull the victim card you literally have zero room to do such a thing.

also why do you expect people to take you seriously when you make posts like this? "Go full CNN" like stop trying to troll then acting like you don't deserve the massive wave of hate you get


You're a stuff stain on the doormat to the blockland forums matt and you really need to step back and think or just log off the site

Of all the people to go around talking about trolling, the king of trolling himself should not talk.

But everyone goes behind you, because you hit low hanging fruit, and those most disagree with.
And calling them out as 'trolls' discredits them.

But I don't loving care, your bullstuff will never shut me down.

[Nickpb 4.0]

Of all the people to go around talking about trolling, the king of trolling himself should not talk.

But everyone goes behind you, because you hit low hanging fruit, and those most disagree with.
And calling them out as 'trolls' discredits them.

But I don't loving care, your bullstuff will never shut me down.

Do you want to type me a new reply that isn't meaningless nonsense? Because what you just typed doesn't come across as a rebuttal but rather you pouting like a child.

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Do you want to type me a new reply that isn't meaningless nonsense? Because what you just typed doesn't come across as a rebuttal but rather you pouting like a child.

anything you type will be considered meaningless to someone like matthew at that point because that's part of his pouting child personality

[Tactical Nuke]

Actually no, it would still be a representative democracy. The electors would be choosing to vote for whoever got the popular vote. That still falls under a representative democracy/democratic republic.

what
no really WHAT

the electors represent THEIR STATES, not the COUNTRY AS A WHOLE
THAT'S THE WHOLE loving POINT
which means that yes, it WOULD become totally undemocratic

Electors have "rebelled" many times in the past.

The ability for electors to vote differently than their states is part of the electoral college.  Either you like the college, or you don't.

You can't like the system when it works in your favor, then suddenly hate it when it doesn't. Make up your mind and stick with it.  

except that in total the occurrence of a faithless elector is very, very rare and the purpose of that system was to protect from a tyranny of the majority, which is not the case with this election
not to mention that 15 states have laws against being a faithless elector so it's not as big of a part of the system as you think it is

also, can you stop this high-horse "you either like it or you don't" stuff?
you can be critical of something you like, that's how progress works

[Poliwhirl]

i love how this is phrased like some conniving wile some elector-goblins are brewing, and not them exercising a constitutional right.

[Perry]

I don't understand. Why does the electoral college still exist? I know that it was used because they needed a fast way of getting voter information carried by horse or some stuff but why does it still exist?

Even if hillary won the electoral college and Annoying Orange lost i'd still be puzzled on why it exists. theres literally no logical or smart reason for it to still be in use. It's so expensive and doesn't actually result in anything but skewed results on both sides so whats the loving point?