[NEWS] CIA concludes with "high confidence" that Russia aided Annoying Orange in election

[Drydess]

of course you guys are worried about rigging elections considering you're convinced that millions of illegals rigged it

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[Cappytaino]

But the FBI isn't turning a blind eye and they've come forth and said before Congress that the CIA is bullstuffting on this. We're going to have to wait and see; there's no public evidence that Russia actually did anything. Only finger pointing.

[Decepticon]

But the FBI isn't turning a blind eye and they've come forth and said before Congress that the CIA is bullstuffting on this. We're going to have to wait and see; there's no public evidence that Russia actually did anything. Only finger pointing.

not sure if that's in response to my post or not, but yeah, that's what im trying to get at here

nvm i suppose you were referring to leisure's post

[Perry]

But the FBI isn't turning a blind eye and they've come forth and said before Congress that the CIA is bullstuffting on this. We're going to have to wait and see; there's no public evidence that Russia actually did anything. Only finger pointing.

It's still worth considering as a possible option. Similar to almost all conspiracy theories against Hillary, the russian hacker conspiracy theory is worth considering but not worth claiming as truth. We need to see an official investigation and facts from a completely unbiased source.

[Cappytaino]

of course you guys are worried about rigging elections considering you're convinced that millions of illegals rigged it

Hillary literally won the popular vote off of California. It's the state most likely to have voter fraud of all because of Sanctuary cities harboring large numbers of illegals as well as having absolutely zero requirement for proof of identity when registering to vote. I could register my dog to vote if I really wanted to.

[Perry]

Hillary literally won the popular vote off of California. It's the state most likely to have voter fraud of all because of Sanctuary cities harboring large numbers of illegals as well as having absolutely zero requirement for proof of identity when registering to vote. I could register my dog to vote if I really wanted to.

so what's your solution- ban californians from voting?

there are people who are voting in almost every state for both hillary and clinton who are not registered to vote. you don't know how many of them exist because you have no records on them but there's always someone. if you want the voting system to be improved then tell congress to do it.

[Bloody Mary]

But the FBI isn't turning a blind eye and they've come forth and said before Congress that the CIA is bullstuffting on this. We're going to have to wait and see; there's no public evidence that Russia actually did anything. Only finger pointing.

It's not merely the CIA, the United States Intelligence Community released a statement around two months ago that directly accused the Russian government of the hacks. I imagine this statement paved the way for a further CIA investigation.

The USIC consists of 16 different agencies. The FBI is in the minority by disregarding the recent investigation. There are more federal intelligence agencies that support the finding than ones that do not support the finding. By quite a large margin.

edit: minor correction: the Department of Homeland Security released the statement, it was concluded by the USIC as a whole

[Cappytaino]

so what's your solution- ban californians from voting?

there are people who are voting in almost every state for both hillary and clinton who are not registered to vote. you don't know how many of them exist because you have no records on them but there's always someone. if you want the voting system to be improved then tell congress to do it.

Nope. Just stop the state of California from issuing SSN/Driver's Licenses to non-citizen residents. Then, at the national level, require a proof of citizenship when registering to vote and require a valid government photo ID at the polls.

Boom, problem solved.

It's not merely the CIA, the United States Intelligence Community released a statement around two months ago that directly accused the Russian government of the hacks. I imagine this statement paved the way for a further CIA investigation.

The USIC consists of 16 different agencies. The FBI is in the minority by disregarding the recent investigation. There are more federal intelligence agencies that support the finding than ones that do not support the finding. By quite a large margin.

The United States Government also tried to frame Assange as a child enthusiast and Russian spy to silence/prosecute him.

I don't trust any accusations until evidence is levied into the public eye. The Obama Administration and the Democrats have proven that they are not afraid of blaming the "Russian boogeyman" for any of their own shortcomings.

[Perry]

Nope. Just stop the state of California from issuing SSN/Driver's Licenses to non-citizen residents. Then, at the national level, require a proof of citizenship when registering to vote and require a valid government photo ID at the polls.

Boom, problem solved.
The United States Government also tried to frame Assange as a child enthusiast and Russian spy to silence/prosecute him.

I don't trust any accusations until evidence is levied into the public eye. The Obama Administration and the Democrats have proven that they are not afraid of blaming the "Russian boogeyman" for any of their own shortcomings.

1) that actually seems like a pretty smart solution

2) I don't think having your e-mails illegally leaked out counts as a 'shortcoming' unless you're referring to their poor choice in data security

[Cappytaino]

1) that actually seems like a pretty smart solution

2) I don't think having your e-mails illegally leaked out counts as a 'shortcoming' unless you're referring to their poor choice in data security

It's unacceptable for information, especially classified information or otherwise sensitive data, to be able to be accessed by foreign actors, period.

This information is obtained through the incompetence of those handling it. In other words, while the leaks may have been obtained by "hackers," there is at least a portion of liability on the Clinton Campaign/State Department for handling information in a way which was both negligent and unsecured. It would have been exponentially more difficult to obtain such information had it been properly encrypted and transmitted through secure channels. It wasn't, and that's the only reason this is a problem in the first place.

I will say, however, that this is a situation of love the leak, hate the leaker.

I'm glad corruption is being exposed, but if it truly is Russia behind this, which it is too early to tell, I would be upset about the level of growing Russian influence.

[Bloody Mary]

The United States Government also tried to frame Assange as a child enthusiast and Russian spy to silence/prosecute him.

I don't trust any accusations until evidence is levied into the public eye. The Obama Administration and the Democrats have proven that they are not afraid of blaming the "Russian boogeyman" for any of their own shortcomings.

The USIC is nonpartisan. They perform their roles outside of the Obama administration or the Democratic party. I also don't see anything in that wikileaks link that cites involvement by the US government.

[LeisureSuit912]

But the FBI isn't turning a blind eye and they've come forth and said before Congress that the CIA is bullstuffting on this. We're going to have to wait and see; there's no public evidence that Russia actually did anything. Only finger pointing.

You mean the same FBI that informed the Illinois Republican Party their emails had been hacked?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-illinois-republican-party-email-hack-met-1212-20161211-story.html

The FBI notified the Illinois Republican Party in June that some of its email accounts may have been hacked, but party officials were not told that it was part of a wide-ranging federal investigation of Russian activity in the nation's political system, the state GOP's executive director said Sunday.

Nick Klitzing said the state GOP on its own found 18 of its emails on the website DCLeaks.com. The New York Times reported the website was an outlet that U.S. intelligence officials and private cybersecurity companies believe was created by a unit controlled by the GRU, Russia's Military Intelligence agency.

It's still worth considering as a possible option. Similar to almost all conspiracy theories against Hillary, the russian hacker conspiracy theory is worth considering but not worth claiming as truth. We need to see an official investigation and facts from a completely unbiased source.

It's crazy that some people are willing to throw around conspiracies about creep pizza shops on 4chan, yet they wave away an official CIA briefing about Russian meddling in our elections as "not enough evidence, just finger-pointing".

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[Master Matthew²]

It's crazy that some people are willing to throw around conspiracies about creep pizza shops on 4chan, yet they wave away an official CIA briefing about Russian meddling in our elections as "not enough evidence, just finger-pointing".

So because the CIA said it, it must be true, no matter how wild, and if 4chan releases evidence to support their wild theory they are 'crazy conspiracy theorists.' Wow not biased at all. I may not entirely believe either of these claims, but at least one of them released some evidence.

[Drydess]

So because the CIA said it, it must be true, no matter how wild, and if 4chan releases evidence to support their wild theory they are 'crazy conspiracy theorists.' Wow not biased at all. I may not entirely believe either of these claims, but at least one of them released some evidence.

actually the way you said it makes it sound even more ridiculous
you're actually saying you'd rather trust 4chan than the CIA...?