The Ottomans were still a rich nation in the 17-1800s.
loving christ the last thing I want to do right now is write out a TL;DR
The differences between Islam and Christianity are the way they persecute. In the bible, particularly the new testament, when you forget up, you will be judged, burn in hell, etc. You will be sent to hell but it is not the job of a Christian to put you there.
It's apparently the job of a Christian to kill homoloveuals, though.
In the Quran there is a lot of ordering, where it is the job of the Muslim to carry out Allah's demands. "If you do x you will be put to death".
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.The Bible uses
those exact words.
Or how about this one, referring to unbelievers?
If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death.One of the reasons for this is because Christianity, at it's core, is a religion to be ruled over. At it's inception it's followers were enslaved by Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, and Romans so there wasn't a whole lot a christian could do at that time apart from "turn the other cheek" really.
That's pretty ironic then considering the most powerful countries in the world are majority-Christian, and the United States has oppressed minority political and religious groups due to their religious faith. Remember the Red Scare, when atheists were singled out as "communist infiltrators?" So much for the first amendment.
Now where death tolls come into play is that since Christianity is generally more difficult to conquer with (although it can be done) it is generally more difficult to convince the population to massacre millions of people. Islam on the other hand has it written right in the Quran, and not any of that "it's up for interpretation" bullstuff either. There is only so many ways you can interpret "if someone leaves Islam you have to kill them".
"Put homoloveuals to death" and "stone the unbelievers" aren't up to much interpretation either.
Even during the islamic golden age when Europe was the equivalent of the modern day middle east the muslims committed far more atrocities in the name of allah and persecuted far more religious minorities, nearly wiping out Zoroastrianism and killing millions of Hindu's.
what is crusades
what is the reconquista
what are the forced conversions in north america
what are the massacres during the protestant reformation
what is the turmoil in england and france
what is the thirty years war and the schmalkaldic war
what is the ottoman empire (considering we're talking about history here, being dead doesn't exactly matter)
Now with Christianity there was the central figure of authority, the Pope. Who is where the Catholics went to for interpretation. The pope, who had an obscene amount of power over Christians from sheer influence, crown Charlamagne the "emperor of the romans", often excommunicated political foes, and called for crusades against his enemies. Now this is all stuffty, albeit the crusades were a reconquest since the Eastern Roman Empire was losing vast amounts of territory in Asia Minor but nevertheless these things happened. What changed was with the reformation.
how come you didn't apply any of this logic to what you said 2 sentences ago
also apparently eastern orthodoxy just doesn't exist? what
Now you already understand what the reformation is I hope. But on top of a massive amount of Christians leaving the Catholic church the Pope also didn't have much power over the remaining Catholics. During and before the reformation the Church and the Pope had to accept there were many problems with the church and made compromises, significantly weakening it and it's influence. The church no longer had a monopoly over European politics.
Yes, but that doesn't mean that Christianity was suddenly super-tolerant. A lack of central authority just means that each state will start their
own crusades instead of all acting as one. As I mentioned, a lot of pretty gruesome massacres happened due to the Reformation. On both sides. Additionally, Islam hasn't have a central authority since the caliphates, and even then, it was disputed at best. So it did have a Reformation in a way.
Now what does this have to do with Islam? Islam never had any sort of reformation, there isn't even so much as a new testament in the Quran. It would be like if Christians followed the old testament and only the old testament.
Otherwise known as Judaism, a religion not exactly known for excessive violence. And the existence of the New Testament doesn't make the Old Testament "invalid" - it's still part of the Bible.
On top of changes to the Quran at a fundamental level there needs to be a bigger split off of islam as well.
That's like saying the Bible needs changes at a fundamental level because it advocates killing homoloveuals and unbelievers. I'd agree with that statement, but it's just not realistic. You can by being reasonable in ignoring outdated parts of the Bible, just as you can with the Quran. And if so... congratulations! That's what the majority of Muslims actually
do, just like how it's the majority of what Christians do. But we elect the fundies into government anyway.
I would write something else but I lost my train of thought, I'm tired, and quite frankly I hate writing posts longer then 3 sentences. forget you Seventh for making me put effort into a post. You are now dead in my eyes.
> makes political thread
> doesn't want to debate
> "forget you for arguing with me"
dude really
