Should people lose their job because of Percieved, Racism/loveism or LGBT distaste

[PhantOS]

"um excuse me i remember this being 99 cents its now 1 dollar i always come here when did this happen"

its always been this way maam

"bullstuff let me talk to your manager"

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[RedGajin]

i don't think this hypothetical example ever blows over to real life
if an apple employee posts "i hate spicks" 99% of the time people are usually not going to come to the conclusion that their company supports racism and is the face of the entire company
people aren't going to stop buying whatever product or react negatively towards the company because some dumbass doesn't like mexicans
the only people who do that are the hyper-sensitive people and the people running the company, who think that their brand will be affected by even the slightest bit of negativity
i can guarantee you that the average person doesn't give a forget

youre very wrong then. employees can sue their employer if that employer isn't reprimanding an employee for inappropriate remarks. companies get sued for a man calling a woman "honey". how do you think Sony looks if emails are leaked of managers using tribal remarks in discussions with each other?

again, its all about professionalism

not saying they should always be fired, it depends on the situation. but regardless, most corporations wont tolerate that kindve behavior because of the possible repercussions

[Daswiruch]

youre very wrong then. employees can sue their employer if that employer isn't reprimanding an employee for inappropriate remarks. companies get sued for a man calling a woman "honey". especially when it comes to bigger corporations who rely on keeping a good face in the public eye. how do you think Sony looks if emails are leaked of managers using tribal remarks in discussions with each other?

again, its all about professionalism

sony won't look worse
let me use this as an example: the president is not the face of america no matter what anyone says
he may be the "leader" but he is regarded as an individual, like everyone else. he is not representative of america as a whole.
if people see that the president is acting like an starfish scumbag motherforgeter, people are usually not going to come to the conclusion that the entirety of america acts this way.
putin is the leader or president of russia, right? do you think of every russian as power-hungry and abusive?
do you think of every american as a money-hungry, islamic-hater?

if emails are leaked that include managers using tribal terms, then people are going to see them as starfishs and sensitive people are going to make a huge stufffest about the incident, as being louder about something makes it look like a whole lot more people share the feelings

the public view of the company won't change

[PhantOS]

the public view of the company won't change

This is where you're wrong. Just one employee who is out of conduct can cause a massive boycott. You realize that if one employee is acting like a complete and irredeemable richard then they're going to take their business elsewhere.

A company is as bad as its least respectful employee. This is why they must be fired or forced to remove their opinions, as one customer who was disatisfied will write their review online, it will garner attention in the eyes of the public and the business' ratings will drop drastically.

This is how public relations works. As president, you can simply act a fool and get away with it, although it will hurt your chances for a 2nd term. As a business, if you let that stuff happen, you'll get sued, lose so much money and customers, you'll be forced to let off other employees, which will ruin their lives. Sometimes bankruptcy is a reality for these scenarios

[SetGaming]

if people see that the president is acting like an starfish scumbag motherforgeter, people are usually not going to come to the conclusion that the entirety of america acts this way.
putin is the leader or president of russia, right? do you think of every russian as power-hungry and abusive?
do you think of every american as a money-hungry, islamic-hater?

from within the country you may think this, but i genuinely know several americans who think of 90% of russia as putin-like, and people from outside of america that think we're minority-hating nationalist richardwads.

it's like a company's ceo. barely anyone can name apple executives beyond "tim cook" and they think he's progressive because he came out as gay. that's literally all most people know about apple, and they think of tim cook/steve jobs and almost nothing else when they think about who they're buying from - country figureheads are almost the same.

[Daswiruch]

i want to agree to disagree with you
i disagree with all your points there and i feel like this is going to continue happening
this is going to go nowhere

[Headcrab Zombie]

I don't think someone should lose your job just because they don't like a certain group, even if you're, say, an active protestor against same love marriage.

I only see a problem a) if you bring those views into work, and directing feelings towards customers, employees, business partners, etc, or b) your activities outside of work are not non-violent

The problem is that if you express your disrespectful opinions outside the job, the chances are some people are going to know you work at that location, and it will still reflect really badly on the business.

Hmm, after reading the thread, yes this is a fair point.
It shouldn't be that way, but it is an unfortunate truth that some people will see their statements and think they reflect the views of the company

[PhantOS]

i want to agree to disagree with you
i disagree with all your points there and i feel like this is going to continue happening
this is going to go nowhere

I don't mean to sound roostery or egotistical in saying this but i'm entirely right about what i'm saying. There are people who dedicated their entire lives to this stuff back in the 1800s and studied how public relations shapes business prosperity.

Edward Bernays, Harry Gordon Selfridge, Marshall Field, etc etc. These guys were born in like 1910 and essentially pioneered consumerism, business theory and public relations. They're also the ones that proposed the philosophy that 'the customer is always right.' This stuff still holds true today- if you piss off the customer, not only will that one customer no longer shop there, they will notify their friends and family to not shop there, and those people will also tell they're friends about the bad experience. Soon the news will spread and ratings will drop, and you will lose a large portion of your business.

This is all tried and true business practice. It may seem like 'only one customer' lost to you, but one customer lost is one product not sold. If you let your ratings drop even a little bit your stocks plummet into the abyss. PR managers have trigger fingers and weed out this disorderly conduct the moment they see it, because even one minor scandal with one employee can cost the company billions of dollars.

[King of the Bill]

EDIT: And he swapped the poll? This is just sad

i thought there was something shonky with the discrepancy between the poll and the responses in the thread.

[Headcrab Zombie]

i thought there was something shonky with the discrepancy between the poll and the responses in the thread.

The current debate seems to be regarding people publicly vocalizing their distaste, which I have mixed feelings about.

The poll is asking about perceived distaste, which could just mean people starting rumors about someone. So I'm saying no to that.

Maybe OP did switch the poll. I didn't personally see it happen, but he seems like the type of person who wouldn't be above doing so.

[Tactical Nuke]

Companies should be able to hire and fire at any time for any reason whatsoever, whether the company itself is prejudiced or the workers are. The free market will punish them accordingly.

Ratting out someone to their employers or firing someone because of their beliefs, however, are probably the most petty things you can possibly do.

[SeventhSandwich]

At most workplaces, you're expected to interact amicably with people with different genders and races. If I was a boss and received reports of a tribal employee from several people, I would definitely fire them. If there is a wide perception that you are tribal/loveist/whatever, then you're probably acting in such a way that makes people think that.

[shamester]

It shouldn't really matter if you are tribal, loveist, or hate LGBT as long as you aren't harassing co-workers about it.  For example, let's say someone was the smartest person in the office but at home, he was in the kool kids klub.  Noone would really know about this because it is his personal life.  Now, if this person was tribal, loveist towards others, or harassing someone for being LGBT actively while working then yes I think they should lose their job.

[Foxscotch]

I'd fire someone for being prejudiced. at best it makes other employees uncomfortable. it can only get worse from there
I don't care whether you are actively harassing them either. I don't want to work with someone like that and I wouldn't expect my other employees to

[Red Spy]

They should be fired if they don something tribal, I'm not gonna fire you for stuff in your head