Billnye has turned to the darkside

[IkeTheGeneric]

My point is it sure as hell isnt all of them

It's hard telling what your point is considering you're doing a piss-poor job of articulating it.

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[PhantOS]

more than two genders = more than two types of pronouns
that + SJW arrogance - awareness of fact that pronoun usage is subconscious = dumb SJW hysteria
(that + petitioning) * government desire to expand powers = ridiculous laws w/ ridiculous punishments
that / good it does for amount of people affected = 0

this is pretty much conservative fear mongering. like 90% of people who identify as different genders other than what they appear probably don't care too much if you mis-gender them initially, but they'll definitely let you know. most people don't really care to that point, since it's physically impossible to know someone's gender immediately just by looking at them.

gender pronouns are just like honorifics. calling an adult woman 'kid' compared to 'ma'am' is obviously going to get a negative reaction. if you see an adult woman who looks extremely young for her age, you might make the mistake of calling her 'kid' or 'miss' or whatever, and most likely she will correct you. from that point on, if you continue calling her 'kid' just because of your own personal opinion on age, you deserve any anger you provoke and are entirely in the wrong

[Tactical Nuke]

Right Left wing gender insecurity disregard for those who aren't them = 100%

ftfy

He raped someone before he changed genders i think

so we're just going to let him her into the women's prison

k

[Operator¹]

It's hard telling what your point is considering you're doing a piss-poor job of articulating it.

Well, he tried to sell us on this brown townogy.

Yes, but imagine if someone told you you could have a better chance at winning the lottery by walking uo to the cashier and saying "i identify as a billionare"

Yeah, the person giving you advice would be a dumbass, this doesn't make any sense.

[Darryl McKoy]

ftfy

Like disregarding the gender someone identifies as?

[IkeTheGeneric]

I'm far from a liberal but at some point you gotta realize that it's just a hell of a lot easier and simpler to just call people what they ask you to call 'em. If that goes against your beliefs, that's a "You" problem.

Learn from lightning, take the path of least resistance.

[Tactical Nuke]

should I pull up my much further in depth diatribe into the inner workings of the "my pronouns are" thing

[Master Matthew²]

the truth really does hurt to read, right matthew

Only when the truth is stupid loving obvious, and you say ut again anyway, or does no one read past the title on these articles?

[IkeTheGeneric]

should I pull up my much further in depth diatribe into the inner workings of the "my pronouns are" thing

No?

[PhantOS]

should I pull up my much further in depth diatribe into the inner workings of the "my pronouns are" thing

"my pronouns are" is identical to "i prefer to be called by this name"

its their personal preference on how they like to be addressed, and failing to address them as so will either make them uncomfortable or will offend them. this is a phenomenon called 'respect' and 'socializing' and if you want to be contrary simply for the sake of being contrary you deserve whatever reaction they give to you as a result

[Operator¹]

should I pull up my much further in depth diatribe into the inner workings of the "my pronouns are" thing

Honestly if someone made a fuss out of it to the point where it got confusing in real life, I'd just call them out on it. I don't think it's too hard to use their name instead.

I'll just stick with my his/her/their if I'm talking about someone, it's just easier that way.

[Daswiruch]

"my pronouns are" is identical to "i prefer to be called by this name"

its their personal preference on how they like to be addressed, and failing to address them as so will either make them uncomfortable or will offend them. this is a phenomenon called 'respect' and 'socializing' and if you want to be contrary simply for the sake of being contrary you deserve whatever reaction they give to you as a result

it's just this simple
if you call some ordinary dude who's named michael "sammy" and then refuse to call them michael just because it's too much effort for you to do so then you're just an starfish

[PhantOS]

if your friend named 'frederick' says that he prefers to be called 'freddy' instead of his full name and your first response is "forget you your birth certificate says your name is frederick i'm not going to pander to your liberal wants and needs, frederick" then you're a loving richard. just do the respectful thing and call him 'freddy'

obviously, if you encounter someone who expects you to know what their nickname is without them telling you, forget them too because they're also being richards.

[Tactical Nuke]

No?

yeah good point why even ask

Except I never said anything about respect. Nice straw man.

On that note, I'm pretty sure that the queer people attacking reporters during that protest in Toronto or wherever in Canada it was weren't thinking "I'd liked to be respected as a person". Nor was the father of a family of four who """became""" a six-year old girl, kissing bikers and working a snow plow. Actually, he may have been thinking about wanting to be respected, but he for sure didn't respect his family's wishes, who wanted a dad and not a half-committed LARPer. When you want respect but you won't give it back, that's called narcissism.

The argument that it's about respect would work if calling non-trans people (or trans people who really really fit into their new gender) "he" or "she" based on their outward appearance were also based around respect. After all, "xi, chi, ji, googabager, etc." are meant to be genders, as are he and she. Problem is, I'm pretty sure most people aren't going around thinking, "this guy'd feel pretty disrespected if I called him a 'she', better go with 'he'". They most likely do it because it's what makes sense.

So if he and she aren't about respect, what does that make the alphabet soup that trans people want you to call them? What warrants respect name-wise as opposed to common sense? Titles.

Know the guy who told us his pronouns were "his majesty"? He rose a pretty good point. What do you call your mom and dad, your boss, a military captain, the Queen of England, etc.? Titles may be about respect, but it's not the "treat others the way you want to be treated" kind of respect. It's the respect that comes with authority. So you see right there my problem with random yahoos demanding my special treatment for reasons based not in science or reason but "special snowflake" syndrome.

I recently had this talk with my extended family. I know my argument.

topic was too old, called "how do you feel about transgender people?"
looking back it's a lot more formal than my usual posts

[IkeTheGeneric]

I'm pretty sure most people aren't going around thinking, "this guy'd feel pretty disrespected if I called him a 'she', better go with 'he'".

I do :(