Author Topic: [ALERT!] Terrorist Blows up Manchester Arena - Multiple Injured!  (Read 21970 times)

They obviously didn't do well enough at integrating into the culture if their son was able to be radicalized
do we know a lot about the living conditions he was brought up in? if he was brought up in a muslim subculture it'd make sense that there wouldn't be full 'integration' into mainstream culture. regardless, the environment for muslims rn isn't exactly incredibly inviting amongst citizens. radicalization is a sociopolitical phenomenon as well, not a cultural one

my theory is that if we expose the middle east to western technology and living standards then terrorism will dwindle away for the most part
the issue is that that would be loving expensive and also politics

my theory is that if we expose the middle east to western technology and living standards then terrorism will dwindle away for the most part
the issue is that that would be loving expensive and also politics
if you make life in the middle east significantly less stuff (and increase political efficacy) then yeah, the terrorist threat would probably subside cus people would have no reason to fight. nation building hasn't gone too well for us in the past tho. hard to know what the real solution is gonna be.

nation building hasn't gone too well for us in the past tho. hard to know what the real solution is gonna be.
sending help to germany and japan sure as hell helped as opposed to leaving them in rubble

sending help to germany and japan sure as hell helped as opposed to leaving them in rubble

yeah it did

Obama wouldn't have had any idea about that though, would he?

yeah it did

Obama wouldn't have had any idea about that though, would he?
what's your point

what's your point

the point is that we tried nation building in Iraq and it would have gone successfully if we had kept our troops there long enough to ensure a stable government, as was the case with the other examples you listed, but Obama pulled us out of Iraq before that could happen

I was building on your point, not trying to start stuff

They obviously didn't do well enough at integrating into the culture if their son was able to be radicalized

Didn't he go to Libya

the point is that we tried nation building in Iraq and it would have gone successfully if we had kept our troops there long enough to ensure a stable government, as was the case with the other examples you listed, but Obama pulled us out of Iraq before that could happen

I was building on your point, not trying to start stuff
it was actually bush that pre-arranged to have troops out of iraq by 2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

and the US's involvement there wasn't very popular with iraqi citizens, which is fairly important if you're looking to overhaul a nation and have its citizens accept your changes. if citizens are unhappy with the people who set up the system, their sense of efficacy is probably going to be very low, which can naturally lend itself to unconventional protest like we know has happened since
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my theory is that if we expose the middle east to western technology and living standards then terrorism will dwindle away for the most part
the issue is that that would be loving expensive and also politics
the reason the middle east is forgeted in terms of civilization advancement is because its 90% desert. civilizations located between 40-50 degrees north or 10-50 south of equator tend to have the most fertile soil and good water sources, and therefore advance really quickly.

most of the middle east is between 30-0 degrees north, which is also known as the dry pusillanimous individual quarter. any higher and you'd be in the luscious labia zone. thats where spain and california are
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it was actually bush that pre-arranged to have troops out of iraq by 2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

regardless of who did it pulling out was a dumb thing to do because we didn't properly give the new government enough training to deal with threats like CIA

and the US's involvement there wasn't very popular with iraqi citizens, which is fairly important if you're looking to overhaul a nation and have its citizens accept your changes. if citizens are unhappy with the people who set up the system, their sense of efficacy is probably going to be very low, which can naturally lend itself to unconventional protest like we know has happened since

I can imagine that Germany would not have been as keen to have us occupy them if it weren't for the East-West split
typically people would be mad at a certain country for occupying them after getting rid of their leader but I could see that changing for the better or for the worse depending on how conditions changed
and as the most powerful and bountiful nation in the world bar none I don't see the situation worsening for them unless we really didn't give a stuff, which was evident in us pulling out before the situation could change for the better

california looks like the surface of mars what do you mean luscious lol

California is the stufftiest state in the Union and I would be happy if it left

regardless of who did it pulling out was a dumb thing to do because we didn't properly give the new government enough training to deal with threats like CIA

I can imagine that Germany would not have been as keen to have us occupy them if it weren't for the East-West split
typically people would be mad at a certain country for occupying them after getting rid of their leader but I could see that changing for the better or for the worse depending on how conditions changed
and as the most powerful and bountiful nation in the world bar none I don't see the situation worsening for them unless we really didn't give a stuff, which was evident in us pulling out before the situation could change for the better
really, the roots of CIA can be directly traced back to the iraq war. the problem was our action in the first place, not our lack commitment to action. once we committed, maybe we should have tried to put the pieces back together, but the answer wasn't continued military occupation. i think the very first priority should definitely be to construct a society worth keeping by developing education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. and encouraging governments based on rule of law, not to bolster the might of a nation so it can squelch an inevitable rebellion.

at this point though, i'm not really sure what we can do. if we run in, guns blazing, and topple yet another state, what would we put in its place, and how are we going to make sure we don't just make this all happen again? we definitely need some kind of peace before any of this can even start happening though

*le the rest of the sentence is important to the context, also I SURRENDER!*