Jstar fishz Korwin-Mikke

[Kearn]

Jstar fishz: "women are weaker, smaller, less intelligent and therefore they should earn less"

i mean all of those are right except intelligence (since both have almost identical averages), but it is a statistical fact there are far more well above average intelligence men than women. nothing wrong with people being paid on merit

so you're essentially arguing with me over semantics of which evil point in history is the most evil

no i'm saying you're picking a dumb topic to try to make a comparison to national socialist germany on, unless you're trying to say that the overwhelming majority of all humans who have ever lived were national socialists

if this man thinks the eu is rounding up and murdering whole families

i still would bet you didn't listen to what he said

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[PhantOS]

i mean all of those are right except intelligence (since both have almost identical averages), but it is a statistical fact there are far more well above average intelligence men than women. nothing wrong with people being paid on merit

i think you didn't actually read what he said. he said women should earn less because they are small, weak and dumb. that's what he said. all this other stuff that you added in was not said by him, it was said by you.

you're either putting words in his mouth or speaking on behalf of him. regardless, i'm referring to what he said, not you

no i'm saying you're picking a dumb topic to try to make a comparison to national socialist germany on, unless you're trying to say that the overwhelming majority of all humans who have ever lived were national socialists

the overwhelming majority of all humans who have lived have probably had some sort of national socialist-like bias of wanting to kill people of different religion, race, or love. that's why those things happened in history and why we try to evolve past them as a race, since doing the aforementioned things is wrong.

i still would bet you didn't listen to what he said

so you tell me; what did the eu do that is so comparable to national socialist germany that it warrants him using a salute that was used by national socialist germany?

did they- smash windows? kill families? war with neighboring countries? execute political prisoners with different opinions? what seemingly terrible atrocities have the eu committed to warrant him comparing them to one of the worst genocides in history?

i have no idea what you're trying to do here. you're the one that told me he was trying to prove a point to the eu about national socialistsm. i didnt listen to what he said, i listened to what you said

[Tactical Nuke]

so you tell me; what did the eu do that is so comparable to national socialist germany that it warrants him using a salute that was used by national socialist germany?

did they- smash windows? kill families? war with neighboring countries? execute political prisoners with different opinions? what seemingly terrible atrocities have the eu committed to warrant him comparing them to one of the worst genocides in history?

i have no idea what you're trying to do here. you're the one that told me he was trying to prove a point to the eu about national socialistsm. i didnt listen to what he said, i listened to what you said

the EU is not inherently fascistic but there are several underpinnings that are eerily similar to national socialist Germany, such as all the unification measures (as he points out) undertaken by the EU, and the fact that Merkel is pretty much the leader of the whole schebang

there's also the fact that the EU open borders policy enacted for the refugee crCIA allows a ton of people of anti-Semitic faith to flood into Europe unchecked, which I'm pretty sure isn't intentionally to kill Jews but you can't deny the similarities

[PhantOS]

im sure if we're to draw unification / federalization as a parallel to national socialist germany we should start talking about the biggest fascist of all: the united states

literally 50 states of pure unified fascism

there's also the fact that the EU open borders policy enacted for the refugee crCIA allows a ton of people of anti-Semitic faith to flood into Europe unchecked, which I'm pretty sure isn't intentionally to kill Jews but you can't deny the similarities

personally i think closing borders to people in need is a little bit more similar to the "jews are national socialist spies" mantra that the us used as an excuse to refuse jewish refugee entry. though i do understand how people will find ways to scare people out of helping people in need

i don't necessarily agree with the 'borders open to everyone' policy as it's important to vet individuals to at least check if they are a threat to national security, but i severely disagree to closing borders on the off chance that 99% of them are terrorists, men, or criminals who will steal welfare. also the 'they believe in something different therefore they are a threat' is simply refined xenophobia and nothing else, and doesn't count as a reasonable excuse to avoid helping them

[Kearn]

i think you didn't actually read what he said. he said women should earn less because they are small

correct, women are smaller

weak

correct, women are weaker

dumb

arguable, there are more intelligent men than women though

so you tell me; what did the eu do that is so comparable to national socialist germany that it warrants him using a salute that was used by national socialist germany?

i would respond to this but you finally actually managed to say what he was talking about in another post

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last person in the argument to post a reputable source gets shot

[PhantOS]

women are weaker, smaller, and less intelligent. so are disabled individuals. so are 18 year olds. i guess that means we should pay them less, regardless of how well they are able to maintain their jobs.

this may not be what you're saying, but it's what he is saying. so i don't care if you shout at me for 'strawman' or whatever because i'm not even referring to you.

[Tactical Nuke]

im sure if we're to draw unification / federalization as a parallel to national socialist germany we should start talking about the biggest fascist of all: the united states

literally 50 states of pure unified fascism

the difference is that states were nonexistent before they became part of the united states, so as the lands were discovered they got admitted as states into the country

meanwhile in the EU you've got several sovereign countries being linked together and being governed by just one of the sovereign countries, unlike in the US where the government is just its own entity

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[Kearn]

women are weaker, smaller, and less intelligent. so are disabled individuals. so are 18 year olds. i guess that means we should pay them less, regardless of how well they are able to maintain their jobs.

his entire point is that they are paid less because they are less able to do their jobs, not because they should be paid less no matter what

https://youtu.be/_NEqlfWSOrQ?t=23

if you look at statistics on which jobs men dominate vs women this becomes obvious. women are overwhelming majorities in most service industries and jobs while men are often the dominant force in high-level academics, engineering, and labor jobs

[PhantOS]

the difference is that states were nonexistent before they became part of the united states, so as the lands were discovered they got admitted as states into the country

meanwhile in the EU you've got several sovereign countries being linked together and being governed by just one of the sovereign countries, unlike in the US where the government is just its own entity

i dont like to argue about federalism. the only thing i can say is that it should be the people's choice to federalize or de-federalize. if countries want to remove themselves from a centralized system, they can and should. however, wanting to federalize and form a collective doesn't make you a national socialist. it means you want a secure global connection that is mutually beneficial. nobody owns the EU, it is operated by all its members as a whole. in national socialist germany's case, they wanted to take land and rule over it, which means they would own it.

his entire point is that they are paid less because they are less able to do their jobs, not because they should be paid less no matter what

https://youtu.be/_NEqlfWSOrQ?t=23

if you are unable to operate your job in your current condition, than yes you should be payed less. if this means you need to pick up boxes that are 7 feet high and you're a 5 foot woman, you shouldn't be in that job. unfortunately, not longer than 40 years ago being a certain gender or race -would- change your pay. i think it's mainly his fault for stating it in such a blunt in confusing way aka "women must be payed less because they are different"

in general, every gender is biased for or against one another. in our country, there are objectively more men in management positions, which technically isn't men's fault as a whole but the fact that men are dominant creates a feedback loop of employing more men in management positions. luckily, we have regulations that make it so gender can't factor into employment benefits, and by some miracle it happens to work pretty well.

[Tactical Nuke]

yeah the more I think about it, he's an ultra-capitalist so he would probably be against a government-enforced wage gap

what I think he's saying is that women are weaker, smaller and less intelligent, so LOGICALLY they should earn less

emus are flightless birds because their physically structure can't support the muscles required for flight, plus their wings are inadequately sized, therefore they can't fly and LOGICALLY they shouldn't fly

it might be something lost in translation and it might be the reason why he's able to say to Piers Morgan that he "never said women should earn less" even though he technically did

[Kearn]

if you are unable to operate your job in your current condition, than yes you should be payed less. if this means you need to pick up boxes that are 7 feet high and you're a 5 foot woman, you shouldn't be in that job. unfortunately, not longer than 40 years ago being a certain gender or race -would- change your pay. i think it's mainly his fault for stating it in such a blunt in confusing way aka "women must be payed less because they are different"

that's just his personality. he is a very blunt person and doesn't specify sources, but a lot of what he says and believes is backed up empirically or historically to some degree. i'd imagine he would have little to no problem with a man and woman of identical height, strength, and intellect being paid the same for the same job

in general, every gender is biased for or against one another. in our country, there are objectively more men in management positions, which technically isn't men's fault as a whole but the fact that men are dominant creates a feedback loop of employing more men in management positions. luckily, we have regulations that make it so gender can't factor into employment benefits, and by some miracle it happens to work pretty well.

i dont really care either way about antidiscrimination laws for employment, but quotas should never be a thing. if men naturally have the qualifications and social skill and dominance necessary for leadership more often than women, then it should naturally be a predominantly male profession. the problem is that it's hard to prove someone's thoughts and you often just wind up with employment quotas and magic lawsuits over not having a "proportional" number of male/female employees

[PhantOS]

statistically, women will always earn less as a combined total, since they are biologically inferior to men. on an individual basis, however, women should earn the same amount for their work as men.

having a biological disability shouldn't affect how much you earn but should affect whether or not you are employed. i'm asthmatic so obviously i'm unable to serve in the military or as an astronaut. if they hired me and i had an asthma attack in the field and it resulted in a loss of like, a million dollar equipment, it would be entirely their fault for employing me. however, for the jobs that do employ me, my asthma shouldn't affect my pay in any way


i support maternity leave for the sole reason that working women won't be able to physically support their child unless they have a source of income. whether this comes as social security from the government or from the workplace, it's a necessity

[PhantOS]

i dont really care either way about antidiscrimination laws for employment, but quotas should never be a thing. if men naturally have the qualifications and social skill and dominance necessary for leadership more often than women, then it should naturally be a predominantly male profession. the problem is that it's hard to prove someone's thoughts and you often just wind up with employment quotas and magic lawsuits over not having a "proportional" number of male/female employees

quotas and affirmative action are particularly tricky to work with. in theory, quotas will just affect the outcome, not the income.

if 2 people apply for a job, both with the same skills as each other, and one of them is white and the other is black, quota will determine which one is chosen. if more than 50% of the workplace is white and 2% is black, then the black worker will be chosen. this isn't inequality or unfair, it's just a less random way of selecting who is a better candidate. since workplace diversity is proven to improve productivity, businesses are objectively advantaged to follow it.

in practice the above doesn't always happen, but in general that's what it's supposed to do. statistically, white men will always be disadvantaged by quotas due to the quantity of them in our country, as there will always be more skilled white men than skilled black men or skilled women. either way, having a workplace with a lack of diversity statistically disadvantages the minority and causes a loss of net gain