Another statue was taken down... this time forcibly

[Kearn]

i assume you're against the prison industrial complex, too? prison labor is pretty much the equivalent of indentured servantry.

prison labor is not only ok but was explicitly constitutionally protected when slavery was abolished. people aren't kidnapped and thrown in jail, you have to commit a crime of sufficient severity to be sentenced to a term like that in the first place

vice

nice try

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[Drydess]

prison labor is not only ok but was explicitly constitutionally protected when slavery was abolished. people aren't kidnapped and thrown in jail, you have to commit a crime of sufficient severity to be sentenced to a term like that in the first place

you can get put in jail for 15 years of your life for doing drugs

[IkeTheGeneric]

Beyond it being kinda dumb to destroy public property, I don't get why this is as big of an outrage as it is.

In fact, I don't see why statues being removed is a bigger outrage than an innocent girl being killed in a hit and run incident during a protest gone wrong.

[LeisureSuit912]

Beyond it being kinda dumb to destroy public property, I don't get why this is as big of an outrage as it is.

In fact, I don't see why statues being removed is a bigger outrage than an innocent girl being killed in a hit and run incident during a protest gone wrong.

Gotta have that culture

[Kearn]

you can get put in jail for 15 years of your life for doing drugs

then vote to change the laws or sentencing guidelines, there is no other solution

[Nonnel]

prison labor is not only ok but was explicitly constitutionally protected when slavery was abolished. people aren't kidnapped and thrown in jail, you have to commit a crime of sufficient severity to be sentenced to a term like that in the first place

indentured servants were servants by choice, not kidnapped. that's the whole point.
legal =/= ok
the last claim is provably false. many prisoners are in only for drug use (boy, i wonder why they don't want to legalize drugs!) our man jeff sessions even ordered prosecutors to seek maximum penalties for drug offenses.

In fact, I don't see why statues being removed is a bigger outrage than an innocent girl being killed in a hit and run incident during a protest gone wrong.

this is a good point. what a stupid distraction this is from that.

[Kearn]

the last claim is provably false.

what is false about it? they were convicted by a jury of their peers in a court of law and sentenced according to their crimes

indentured servants were servants by choice, not kidnapped. that's the whole point.

and half of them died

many were not here by choice, they were political prisoners and vagrants

[Nonnel]

what is false about it? they were convicted by a jury of their peers in a court of law and sentenced according to their crimes

because many of the prisoners who are forced to do prison labor are people who are in for drug use. which is not a severe crime.

and half of them died

many were not here by choice, they were political prisoners and vagrants

that's why i'm saying indentured servitude is bad, my man. i'm only saying it draws parallels to prison labor.

[Kearn]

because many of the prisoners who are forced to do prison labor are people who are in for drug use. which is not a severe crime.
that's why i'm saying indentured servitude is bad, my man. i'm only saying it draws parallels to prison labor.

then that's a failure of the sentencing guidelines. i'm not arguing with you on the potential criminal penalties for personal use being too extreme

because many of the prisoners who are forced to do prison labor are people who are in for drug use. which is not a severe crime.
that's why i'm saying indentured servitude is bad, my man. i'm only saying it draws parallels to prison labor.

prison labor, again, is only something you can participate in in this country if you've been convicted in a court of law by your peers. many indentured servants were kidnapped and given forged documentation and had no possible recourse because they effectively had no rights to participate in the legal or political systems in any way

[Nonnel]

prison labor, again, is only something you can participate in in this country if you've been convicted in a court of law by your peers. many indentured servants were kidnapped and given forged documentation and had no possible recourse because they effectively had no rights to participate in the legal or political systems in any way

sounds like by law they are very similar, even if it was abused in practice. of course, wrongful convictions and falsified evidence exists, too.

also prisoners are also barred (no pun intended) from voting in particular states (especially Southern states which feed off prison labor) and have no possible recourse.

[Kearn]

sounds like by law they are very similar, even if it was abused in practice. of course, wrongful convictions and falsified evidence exists, too.

i don't think banning prison labor is going to resolve any issues that currently exist with wrongful convictions or unfair trials though to be fair

id like to see prison labor used in a more positive context, e.g. as an optional way to get a reduced sentence

[Nonnel]

i don't think banning prison labor is going to resolve any issues that currently exist with wrongful convictions or unfair trials though to be fair

i do think there's a correlation with the inflated amount of arrests/prison time for petty crimes in prison labor states, but i get what you mean

id like to see prison labor used in a more positive context, e.g. as an optional way to get a reduced sentence

that i'd be okay with.

[Kearn]

weird, we had a normal discussion without namecalling and found something to agree on. neat

[IkeTheGeneric]

weird, we had a normal discussion without namecalling and found something to agree on. neat

it was a wholesome discourse and im proud of yall

[SWAT One]

countrymen

Sorry but how are traitors "countrymen"?