Do you support the removal of Confederate monuments?

[McZealot]

Tradition vs progress is on the same spectrum as authoritarian vs libertarian. Right/left is solely economic.

What? No it's not. There are traditional authoritarians (like Adolph Riddler) and progressive authoritarians (like Joseph Stalin) who have wildly conflicting beliefs. Meanwhile anarchists can be heavily traditional (like Native American tribes) or extremely progressive (like Eco-activists).

Every position is both economic and political. In an economic sense Left = Equality and Right = Opportunity while Top = Government Intervention and Bottom = Free Market. In an economic sense, America is lower-right. In a political sense, it is lower-middle.

[Ad Bot]

[Tactical Nuke]

What? No it's not. There are traditional authoritarians (like Adolph Riddler) and progressive authoritarians (like Joseph Stalin) who have wildly conflicting beliefs. Meanwhile anarchists can be heavily traditional (like Native American tribes) or extremely progressive (like Eco-activists).

if you look at Stalin and Riddler you'll realize their political beliefs were actually quite similar, hence the term National Socialists

[Nonnel]

If I have to explain the goddamn political compass one more time I will kill you. If you're a "traditional anarchist," you are just further up and if you're a "progressive authoritarian," you are just further down.

[Maxwell.]

some of their beliefs aligned pretty closely if you ask me. both very authoritarian to say the least

[McZealot]

some of their beliefs aligned pretty closely if you ask me. both very authoritarian to say the least

That was literally the point. They were both radical fascists. One believed in reformation towards an 'Empire of Old' while one rapidly industrialized the economy hoping to create a 'World of the Future'--showing that authority can be progressive or regressive, having no inherit bias.

if you look at Stalin and Riddler you'll realize their political beliefs were actually quite similar, hence the term National Socialists

That's not really the case. The 'Socialism' of national socialist Germany was not what we assosciate with modern progression. The desire to establish a 'Socialist State' in which the government takes control of the economy is not inherently to begin the re-distribution of wealth. There were wealth-elite in Germany but many, many poor.

The 'Socialism' of the Soviet Union also sought to establish a government-controlled market, but for the redistribution (and effective abolishment) of wealth. Socialism can be both liberal or authoritative or both. American Socialism is liberal, while Eastern European Socalism has historically been authoritarian.

[Red Spy]

i love how you left out the second definition

[Nonnel]

American conservatives encompass both definitions tho

[RedGajin]

tbh no reason to really be against it unless you support glorifying confederate leaders and what they fought for. it's not rewriting history in any way to move a cheap copper statue of someone who literally fought against the United States

[Mr.Noßody]

Destroy all monuments.
We dont deserve them anymore.

[SWAT One]

Preserve them in a museum or war memorial? Sure. In public areas, glorifying once rebels and traitors? At the very least, distasteful.

[kongo]

Destroy all monuments.
We dont deserve them anymore.

destroy all land only the fish deserve to live

[Shift Kitty]

do we need 3 of these

[Tayasaurus]

If you destroy it illegally and break the law, then you need to have your ass in the slammer for destruction of public property. If you want that statue removed, then vote for it. Don't break the law to further your political ideas, whatever the hell it is.

[Mouse droidz 21]

I've said this in the other thread but this time I'd like to ask a question, if North Korea decides to forget with the US one day and America invades North Korea, would you people want these two statues:



kept or destroyed? and don't pull that "Oh it's just a memorial for fallen soldiers not evil dictators" bullstuff.  Anything that goes against morality shouldn't be commemorated

[PhantOS]

it depends. by the time the us gets there the people would've already torn down the statue