Do you support the removal of Confederate monuments?

[e-maxx]

it was a black slave that taught jack Daniels how to brew
therefore i think we should replace all statues with large self serve bottles of jack

[Ad Bot]

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Finland was in it more to get their clay back from Rosyia than because they were fascists

No one liked national socialists. We just got weapons and education from them and when the war ended just kicked them out.

[Masterlegodude]

America rn

[sir dooble]

I've said this in the other thread but this time I'd like to ask a question, if North Korea decides to forget with the US one day and America invades North Korea, would you people want these two statues:
kept or destroyed? and don't pull that "Oh it's just a memorial for fallen soldiers not evil dictators" bullstuff.  Anything that goes against morality shouldn't be commemorated

It shouldn't come down to the US, it should be the new government of NK and its people to decide.
If they tear it down in riiots, likethe statues of Saddam Husein, then so be it.
If they decide to melt it down into something else, fine.
If they keep them or move them, then fine.

My choice would be to move them into a museum, not to commemorate that regime, but to teach it and warn people of the dangers of that regime.
Put it into context. Point at in a museum and say "They built these while their people starved" and let people learn.


As for anything against morality, what of all the ancient monuments built by people who enslaved, pillaged and commited genocide?
Egypt celebrates its ancient civilisation and their monuments, the very same ones built by slaves.
Italy takes pride in its monuments, ones which commemorate the ransacking of entire nations and the subjugation of millions of people.

Should the people of Rome knock down Trajan's column, or the Egyptians smash apart the Pyramids?

[Tayasaurus]

The difference is that Robert E Lee was a citizen of rebel Virginia. He didn't choose to live in a rebel-occupied state and he didn't start the revolution, unlike the North Korean dictators. You could make this argument about a statue of Jefferson Davis since he directly caused and lead the revolution against the Union, but most of these war memorials honor soldiers and generals. Robert didn't go to war and kill hundreds of thousands of US soldiers because he loved slavery or something--he did it because they were there. The Confederacy didn't invade the north--the Union stormed through the Confederacy and displaced millions of people through extremely destructive methods of warfare that included burning farms and homes, destroying railroad tracks and killing livestock. The last person executed by the federal government was killed because he tore down a Union flag in a Confederate state. The Union was brutal and disgusting during the war and while that obviously doesn't excuse the atrocities of slavery and revolution committed by the Confederacy it's ridiculous to act as though every random soldier and general went to war to defend slavery or because they hated liberalism. They went to war because what else are you going to do when people from a thousand miles away burning your home to the ground? And as for Robert E. Lee--a military officer is literally legally required to serve their country whether they agree with it or not. Are you suggesting it would've been more moral for him to betray the Confederacy? Because I don't really think that's the case.

Random soldiers and generals aren't evil because they followed stuffty orders. This obviously isn't always the case--national socialist generals had no such defense of being terrorized. They weren't ever on the 'defense' during the first half of the war. But it applies to the Confederacy.

Well spoken! I wish that the present day history classes would emphasize that both sides were pretty stuffty to eachother. General Sherman is a good example of the Union taking things to the extreme. Again history is written by the victor, as much as a shame as that is.

[RockyDoctor65]

You can't censor history.

[LeisureSuit912]

You can't censor history.

Most of those Confederate monuments were built in the 60s

Also who learns history from looking at statues

[RedGajin]

Also who learns history from looking at statues

inbred white supremacists because they cant read

[Kearn]

inbred white supremacists because they cant read

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gWX5KtkM-Q

[Red Spy]

inbred white supremacists because they cant read

then why do they have plaques?   checkmate atheists

[Deus Ex]

Most of those Confederate monuments were built in the 60s

What kind of argument is this

[IkeTheGeneric]

muh history

[IkeTheGeneric]

if we tear down the statues we will collectively forget about all confederacy history and southern culture will be completely and irreparably destroyed

[kevin 51l]

the removal of the confederate statues and monuments is not a racial or partisan issue. keeping them is the complete opposite of honoring history. the confederate states of america lost the civil war, so their monuments of leaders are desecration to our country. true nationalists would tear down these statues with their own hands, knowing that the sanctity of our states is based on the victory claimed by the federation lead by lincoln, not the dead and forgotten. death to robert e. lee, for he lies in his grave with the shame of defeat and shall never see the light of victory in his void death, and may honor never come his way.

if we tear down the statues we will collectively forget about all confederacy history and southern culture will be completely and irreparably destroyed

so? they lost the civil war, and they must die and turn to the dirt that raises new life. there is no stopping death, and the efforts to postpone it is in vain, so let them die.

[e-maxx]

i'm curious as to why it's suddenly such a huge issue