nurse arrested for refusing to give blood sample

[Nonnel]

And I'm saying historical racism can only reach so far until it fails. It's been over 50 years, there would have been at least SOME bounce-back.

And there has been some. They're not slaves and they're not in shacks or single room stuffholes for the most part. There's still a huge disparity between white and black, see the income list posted earlier, and if the poverty cycle is not the reason then please explain to me what is.

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[PhantOS]

And I'm saying historical racism can only reach so far until it fails. It's been over 50 years, there would have been at least SOME bounce-back.

there have been bouncebacks since then but it's not as fast as you are convinced it is. it takes several generations for stuff like that to heal.

poverty is literally quicksand. it has negative emotional effects on parents, which they then accidentally project onto the youth, which puts them in an unhealthy lifestyle. if that's not enough, if you're poor you can't get loans easily, you can't pay off small fines so easily which forgets up your record permanently, and if you're say homeless or at the very bottom of the poverty line, there's physically no way to ever leave it, unless you win the lottery or someone agrees to take you in, which has just as unlikely odds

[Red Spy]

can we all step back and wonder how a thread about a nurse being arrested turned into a race debate

[PhantOS]

blame tony

[Red Spy]

forget you tony

[bloody jumper]

And there has been some. They're not slaves and they're not in shacks or single room stuffholes for the most part. There's still a huge disparity between white and black, see the income list posted earlier, and if the poverty cycle is not the reason then please explain to me what is.

Never said the poverty cycle doesn't contribute to black people's poverty dude. I'm saying that they need to fix this problem from within their own community, and with all of these inherent institutional inequities being lifted, they have nothing holding them back from prospering, you would have seen a dramatic uptake in the annual salary of african american families.

can we all step back and wonder how a thread about a nurse being arrested turned into a race debate

I don't even know anymore, man. I'm just getting tired of doing this instead of playing WOTC on XCOM.

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can we all step back and wonder how a thread about a nurse being arrested turned into a race debate

this one's easy, red spy, because it involves police brutality

[McZealot]

there's nothing really stopping anyone able-bodied from rising from poverty in the us but their own will to do so

This is bullstuff. If I grow up in a stuffty neighborhood with a single mom who insists I drop out of highschool to get a job at a gas station (or even selling drugs) to bring in additional income I'm never gonna get a degree or rise high in society. I probably wouldn't even be able to rise to a management position if I wasn't educated at all and spoke in Ebonics. The only question is why are you defending subtley-tribal bullstuff? I know you're not a tribal dude. It's exactly like the tribal cops. You've been trained to defend Conservatives because you usually agree with them--but when the bad ones say dumb stuff (like that blacks have no racial disadvantage) you feel like you should defend them even though they're wrong. Don't defend stupid ideals because they fit with your party. I'm not defending Communism because that'd be handicapped and you shouldn't praise Capitalism as an infallible system because that's handicapped.

How is black people being poor a result of racism?

Segregation ended just 52 years ago. It didn't stop racism. Blacks still lived in ghettos. Just because they weren't required to live there anymore didn't mean they had the ability to live. The tribal sheriff didn't stop beating blacks because it wasn't legal anymore. They didn't get jobs at white-only diners and start getting accepted to colleges just because the law had changed. Today we've made a lot of progress. Middle-class blacks rarely have issues getting jobs or dealing with the police (at least in most areas of the US) but a lot of them haven't escaped the grasp of poverty in 50 years.

Segregation ended 52 years ago. Racism didn't. We're a lot better now, but the effects of our actions haven't dwindled out yet.

[bloody jumper]

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We've literally covered almost all of this in the last 3 to 4 pages. (Talking about my portion of the rebuttal here). I'm going to step away from this because it seems no one really is going to budge, and it's just tiring at this point. Deus, if you want to jump in go ahead.

[McZealot]

Yea, so? I'm not reading it and I'm gonna respond to direct questions anyway.

it's absolutely relevant what are you talking about
it doesnt account for every bit of it but it definitely covers most of it

What? No it's not. The discussion was whether Blacks are more likely to be killed by police. I pointed out that yes, they are. I also pointed out that they also commit more crime, so the cops aren't necessarily tribal. You started talking about how it's not their fault they were born into poverty--and while I agree--that's completely irrelevant.

[PhantOS]

also gentrification forgets stuff over. the entire area in bedstuy where i used to live just got completely whitified by hipster restaurants and all these healthy juice bars. when my family moved out the rent was manageable, but all my friends that used to live there got forced out by like, 3500 a month rent and had to move into sunset park. this type of stuff means you gotta change schools, gotta change your commute, spend money moving all your stuff out, etc.

its not directly a tribal move on anyone's part but it definitely forgets over people of color more than anything

[bloody jumper]

Yea, so? I'm not reading it and I'm gonna respond to direct questions anyway.

And I'm not going to type out my same responses again, so we're at an impasse, if you actually wanted to participate the discussion about those topics, you should have taken part in the previous 3 to 4 pages.

[McZealot]

I know, forget me for responding to your question! I should've pulled a Red Spy and posted a cringey reaction meme.

[Nonnel]

Never said the poverty cycle doesn't contribute to black people's poverty dude. I'm saying that they need to fix this problem from within their own community, and with all of these inherent institutional inequities being lifted, they have nothing holding them back from prospering, you would have seen a dramatic uptake in the annual salary of african american families.

The thing is, poverty cycle and all, they're not getting very good educations. Partly the fault of gangsta culture in poor neighborhoods seeing that the way out of poverty is to sell drugs and rob people, or the off-chance that they'll make it in the NBA. Uneducated people don't know how to properly break the cycle. That's why it keeps happening; that's why it's a cycle.

[bloody jumper]

I know, forget me for responding to your question! I should've pulled a Red Spy and posted a cringey reaction meme.

Yes, forget you. Because you retreaded the same ground that we've already discussed at length about, I'm not about to repeat everything I've said. If you wanted to hear my opinion on your questions, you could literally look at them on the previous pages.