Las Vegas Police Investigating Shooting at Mandalay Bay Casino

[SeventhSandwich]

sounds like a good argument for travel bans and border walls actually.

weren't we originally operating off the axiom that guns keep out terrorists? so why do we need border walls and travel bans if something (ostensibly guns) is keeping out the terrorists?

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[AutoBahn]

As a non-American I'm actually shocked by how quickly this became a left vs right pissing contest on reddit

it's basically the same thing in real life. whenever anything controversial happens here in the US it immediately snowballs into a stuffstorm because nobody here knows what 'civil debate' means

[Tactical Nuke]

do I even need to add anything

[SeventhSandwich]

I don't necessarily agree that the NRA is at fault for this, but public officials talk about public policy and Hillary's a former public official. Is there something unusual about those tweets?

[Darryl McKoy]

Question - given this was a domestic terrorist attack, what's the pro-gun approach to thwarting these attacks in future?

[Bisjac]

guns keep out all enemies. including leftiest terrorists that is a very real issue.

the wall keeps out terrorists sure,m but saves ridiculous amounts of money on illegal immigration (plus stop illegal immigration). its a win/win/win really.

[Tactical Nuke]

I don't necessarily agree that the NRA is at fault for this, but public officials talk about public policy and Hillary's a former public official. Is there something unusual about those tweets?

She brings the NRA's advocacy for gun supressors into the mix even though neither they nor supressors have anything to do with the shooting, then she says that we "need to put politics aside" and come together against the NRA for something they weren't involved in.

Basically, she's confirming why we didn't vote for her as president. Oh, and popular vote doesn't matter, just to get that out there before you do.

Question - given this was a domestic terrorist attack, what's the pro-gun approach to thwarting these attacks in future?

I dunno, what's the anti-gun approach? No, the one that works.

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[Darryl McKoy]

I dunno, what's the anti-gun approach? No, the one that works.

Getting defensive doesn't answer my question, I'm genuinely curious

[AutoBahn]

Question - given this was a domestic terrorist attack, what's the pro-gun approach to thwarting these attacks in future?

i don't know a whole lot about it but as far as I'm aware the gist of it is basically to properly train and arm citizens so that they can quickly take down an active shooter, and to support 'mild' gun control legislation such as background checks and mental health checks when applying for a firearm license.

I don't necessarily agree that the NRA is at fault for this, but public officials talk about public policy and Hillary's a former public official. Is there something unusual about those tweets?

the shooter was supposedly an NRA member. As to whether or not that's actually true is up in the air at the moment.

I dunno, what's the anti-gun approach? No, the one that works.

calm down, dude. he's just asking a question

[Ragequit]

Question - given this was a domestic terrorist attack, what's the pro-gun approach to thwarting these attacks in future?

a fighting chance and maybe deterrence

[Dreams_Of_Cheese]

a fighting chance and maybe deterrence

Right. Just have some folks carry their rifles into a concert. That's safe thing to do that Will Never Backfire. But alright, let's assume that somehow that type of security breach is never exploited somehow. Are these people in the crowd supposed to fire upward into a hotel? It's entirely unrealistic to say that having had people with guns at the site of the attack would've made a difference. Maybe in another situation, but not this one.

[kongo]

most venues and stuff don't even allow guns in their building / area / whatever so even if every person was big boss when it comes to using guns, stuff like this would still happen because the places it happens is normally where there isn't going to be anybody with a gun

i'm not taking sides here because i definitely don't want to pay for five hundred different licenses just to own a hunting rifle but at the same time stuff like open carry is stupid

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T H O T

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/02/top-cbs-lawyer-no-sympathy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.amp.html

[otto-san]

Getting defensive doesn't answer my question, I'm genuinely curious

i am as well. i don't think i've seen any real genuine and practical solutions offered outside of tighter gun restrictions. eliminating crime, hatred, and turmoil is obviously not an option, so we have to consider ways that actually mitigate the potential severity of violent crime, and i don't think civilians having more or an unchanged level of access to weaponry is a responsible option to take. the theory of allowing people more guns to encourage heroic acts sounds nice, but the fact is that lax restrictions make it easier for potential criminals to gain access to weaponry as well. in addition, the vast majority of individuals are unlikely to be capable of responding effectively in these situations, and mass gun and heroism training isn't a practical course of action either. this event showed how outrageously easy it is for someone to end an unfathomably large number of lives with great efficiency, and the only genuine course of action i can imagine is to reduce access to these efficient tools.

ofc i say all that with a series of assumptions about what solutions would be offered by people opposed to tighter gun restrictions, if there's something i haven't heard before i'd be interested in hearing it