Author Topic: Catalonia's independence movement died before it started  (Read 50616 times)


"People should be allowed self-determination and popular sovereignty when I agree with them!"

"People should be allowed self-determination and popular sovereignty when I agree with them!"

That's one way of putting it

Catalan secession is good because Catalonia has experienced a history of injustice from the Spanish and they don't even speak the same language
An ethnostate is bad because it's tribal and affirms culture as being divided by race

Secessionist movements are not judged as universally moral or immoral, there are good and bad cases like everything else that exists

That's one way of putting it

Catalan secession is good because Catalonia has experienced a history of injustice from the Spanish and they don't even speak the same language
An ethnostate is bad because it's tribal and affirms culture as being divided by race

Secessionist movements are not judged as universally moral or immoral, there are good and bad cases like everything else that exists
Seems like you believe "weakness makes right."
Always siding with the more oppressed party without any real coherent principles or overarching morality.

Seems like you believe "weakness makes right."
Always siding with the more oppressed party without any real coherent principles or overarching morality.

I think many would agree that oppression is bad

Catalan secession is good because Catalonia has experienced a history of injustice from the Spanish and they don't even speak the same language
An ethnostate is bad because it's tribal and affirms culture as being divided by race

does this mean you like israel

does this mean you like israel
They're both an ethnostate and have been oppressed. Don't ask him about Israel or his head might explode.
I think many would agree that oppression is bad
I mean, it depends how you define it.
I feel like you think any inequality or laws or borders or standards at all really are oppressive.

"People should be allowed self-determination and popular sovereignty when I agree with them!"
Basically this, honestly. Whether independence is 'justified' or 'allowed' is entirely a question of whether you think their reasons are valid. We declared independence from Britain because they were stuffbags levying predatory taxes against us, which was a pretty good reason for independence. But we simultaneously fought a war against the Confederacy because they were a bunch of stuffbags declaring independence just so they could continue to keep black people as chattel. There is no universally-accepted code of conduct for what justifiably constitutes a reason for independence. It's whatever the hell you agree with.

I'm inclined to side against Catalan independence since it seems like the gist is that they're a bunch of rich starfishs who aren't happy with the fact that the rest of the country isn't as rich as they are. So instead of, say, trying to do something like improving infrastructure, they just want to jump ship.

does this mean you like israel

No

They're both an ethnostate and have been oppressed. Don't ask him about Israel or his head might explode.

Israel is pretty close to an ethnostate and with all the support they get from the US they definitely aren't oppressed
« Last Edit: October 29, 2017, 02:33:56 PM by LeisureSuit912 »


I'm inclined to side against Catalan independence since it seems like the gist is that they're a bunch of rich starfishs who aren't happy with the fact that the rest of the country isn't as rich as they are. So instead of, say, trying to do something like improving infrastructure, they just want to jump ship.

You make me want to side with Catalan independence now. Thanks alot you commie forget.

You make me want to side with Catalan independence now. Thanks alot you commie forget.
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When is Nonnel going to change the title of this thread to be less autistic