Author Topic: Germany and France get their stuff kicked in during New Year's Eve celebrations  (Read 6207 times)

Can we please not talk about violent crimes and pretend that only Muslims commit them?

But of course, only Muslim violence and "terrorism" sells it seems.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2018, 11:12:11 AM by General »

I know it's going be shocking to you two but these attacks were carried out by muslims and middle eastern migrants, as much as you want to say otherwise

when black people are attacking courthouses like you said or national socialists are killing people again we can talk about that but right now we're talking about new year's eve in Germany and France and all you're doing is blatantly deflecting and shouting "#NotAllMuslims"

op has never heard of roma slums

from 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the US, 3,446 were black, and these were those officially recorded at the time.

by the time columbus had reached the caribbeans in 1492, there were an estimated 10 million indigenous peoples living in the U.S. by 1900, this was reduced primarily through genocide to 300,000. on the topic of native americans, throughout these centuries there have been women raped and murdered, in 2001 for example Ivy Archambault.

during the holocaust women were  experimented on, raped and murdered for being jewish.

to say that 'the muslims' are responsible for the assault of europeans is the same as someone saying that these atrocities committed throughout history are all down to The Whites. this just isn't true. wahhabism is a cancer on a religion that doesn't represent these values, the same way these 'christians' that spent history murdering people born in their own countries should not be held accountable for everyone of their race.

1. this is a specific, one day long stuffshow, not a protracted collection of events from a range of decades
2. islam is not a race
3. the native americans were not reduced primarily through genocide. when the europeans arrived, they brought european diseases with them. when european cultured states began genocide towards the natives (most infamously, andrew jackson initiating the trail of tears after the supreme justice had ruled in a dispute that the natives had rights to the land jackson was purging them from).
4. wahhabism is not the only violent sunni



op, change the title to something more factual
« Last Edit: January 08, 2018, 11:22:20 AM by Juncoph »

Can we please not talk about violent crimes and pretend that only Muslims commit them?

But of course, only Muslim violence and "terrorism" sells it seems.

when black people are attacking courthouses like you said or national socialists are killing people again we can talk about that but right now we're talking about new year's eve in Germany and France and all you're doing is blatantly deflecting and shouting "#NotAllMuslims"
White supremacist arrested over Nebraska terror attack expressed interest in 'killing black people', say FBI

The woman who died when a car rammed into a group of people protesting against a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville was named on Sunday as Heather Heyer, a 32-year-old legal assistant with a law firm in Virginia, who repeatedly championed civil rights issues on social media.

i agree with general here. aggrevation leads to violence. all of these senseless loving idiots trying to go out and attack people have an objective. for protestors it can be police violence and neglect of their communities, for white supremacists i guess it's their ideas not being heard because no-one else wants to hear them(?), for these "muslims" it can be their aggressive wahabbism
« Last Edit: January 08, 2018, 11:31:34 AM by ChappersTeddy »

I know it's going be shocking to you two but these attacks were carried out by muslims and middle eastern migrants, as much as you want to say otherwise

when black people are attacking courthouses like you said or national socialists are killing people again we can talk about that but right now we're talking about new year's eve in Germany and France and all you're doing is blatantly deflecting and shouting "#NotAllMuslims"
It's just that you're putting emphasis on the fact that they are muslim and migrants, whereas you otherwise would not for violence committed by non-muslims.

Besides I find that people who complain about muslim violence and immigration tend to not personally know a muslim or immigrant. I hate it when people base their views on biased media and personal hatred for a group of people who they know nothing of

Prejudice has been around for ages and has never lead to any positive history.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2018, 11:24:41 AM by General »

hey btw france has been burning cars for new years eve since 1990

i cant express how mundane the headlines in OP are, it makes the previous title even worse
besides the whole 1000 car thing. but yeah its been happening for almost 30 years now so you can literally only fool americans with that headline
« Last Edit: January 08, 2018, 11:33:09 AM by hootaloo »

Besides I find that people who complain about muslim violence and immigration tend to not personally know a muslim or immigrant. I hate it when people base their views on biased media and personal hatred for a group of people who they know nothing of

Prejudice has been around for ages and has never lead to any positive history.

my best friend since childhood lives in an islamic household so

1. this is a specific, one day long stuffshow, not a protracted collection of events from a range of decades
history is there to learn from. we aren't going to solve problems from pinning the blame on one whole people.
2. islam is not a race
my mistake there, meant to say middle-eastern.
3. the native americans were not reduced primarily through genocide. when the europeans arrived, they brought european diseases with them. when european cultured states began genocide towards the natives (most infamously, andrew jackson initiating the trail of tears after the supreme justice had ruled in a dispute that the natives had rights to the land jackson was purging them from).
admittedly a lack of better wording. innocent blood was still spilled.
4. wahhabism is not the only violent sunni subset
yeah i know, it is the main (extreme) one being ported over to other countries though.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2018, 11:54:20 AM by ChappersTeddy »

my best friend since childhood lives in an islamic household so
Does your friend deserve to be deported for being Muslim? Does he rape women and burn cars on your street?

More importantly, does he deserve to live in fear of one day being deported due to all the negative media emphasis on Islam there exists lately

history is there to learn from. we aren't going to solve problems from pinning the blame on one whole people.
aye, but i don't think we handled them properly throughout history. andrew jackson and the kool kids klub, as examples, should've gotten life sentences for crimes against humanity. they didn't, though, because society didn't very starkly contrast with the perpetrators- unlike now, where the perpetrators are far more isolated from the society that they exist in

edit: not saying the perpetrators of the thread-related events should be tried for crimes against humanity

my mistake there, meant to say middle-eastern.

ah. then i agree

admittedly a lack of better wording. innocent blood was still spilled.

absolutely

yeah i know, it is the main one being ported over to other countries though.

the largest sunni sect of islam in the UK is deobandi



overall it's a very sad issue. there absolutely are peaceful, liberalized muslims who have little or no common ground with these other groups who act as cults in comparison, but a large fraction of islam is undeniably hateful

people like @op don't help things by sensationalizing the issue, because that only brings polarity to the table

Does your friend deserve to be deported for being Muslim? Does he rape women and burn cars on your street?

More importantly, does he deserve to live in fear of one day being deported due to all the negative media emphasis on Islam there exists lately

my friend is an atheist who plans to distance themself from their family when they can leave home
« Last Edit: January 08, 2018, 12:06:17 PM by Juncoph »

why do you care about muslims in europe?


Empathy is a thing.

What does it matter to you?
« Last Edit: January 08, 2018, 12:16:14 PM by Mardalf »

the issue with deciding whether a race or a minority group of people is more harmful than another is that a news company reporting about a majority doing something is usually redundant, so you never see "middle aged white man attacks homeless person"

the fact is that cancers like wahhabism (or other less popular violent sunni sects) are making the middle east a continuously violent region which means migrants are a whole lot more likely to be normalized to that kind of stuff---so of course refugees are more likely to commit crime (also because they're in the lower class), but complaining about it and generalizing any muslim or any refugee to be criminal doesn't solve anything

Empathy
You're definitely not empathetic, stop fooling yourself 😂