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new company
9 (56.3%)
cartoons will die
7 (43.8%)

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Author Topic: since nickeloden and cn are kinda going to trash what do you think isgonnahappen  (Read 4333 times)


i dont care what you say but i honestly liked destroy build destroy
that stuff was good

The "We're/You're just getting older" argument can't apply to everything.
The reason these networks are going to stuff is because their target audience is
progressively getting younger because kids are learning to use the internet faster.

99% of CN's lineup is loving TTGO
Nickelodeon's content would have trouble competing with "Logan Paul tazes Rat (Extended for 30 Minutes)"

Since Disney is buying the earth wholesale, Youtube is Progressively becoming KidsTube and Netflix pushing more Kids Content, there is no doubt It's either going to be the One World Government ©Disney 2018, 5BelowTube, & Netflix.

PERSONALLY, I believe this vengeance being carried out by the GKND.

The "We're/You're just getting older" argument can't apply to everything.
The reason these networks are going to stuff is because their target audience is
progressively getting younger because kids are learning to use the internet faster.

99% of CN's lineup is loving TTGO
Nickelodeon's content would have trouble competing with "Logan Paul tazes Rat (Extended for 30 Minutes)"

Since Disney is buying the earth wholesale, Youtube is Progressively becoming KidsTube and Netflix pushing more Kids Content, there is no doubt It's either going to be the One World Government ©Disney 2018, 5BelowTube, & Netflix.

PERSONALLY, I believe this vengeance being carried out by the GKND.
I mean, you could go on a killing spree...

The reason these networks are going to stuff is because their target audience is progressively getting younger because kids are learning to use the internet faster.
what in the hell do you think the internet has to do with cartoon network you absolute fool

what in the hell do you think the internet has to do with cartoon network you absolute fool
Online Entertainment is better than TV Cartoons.
And CN/Nickelodeon realise this, so they've shifted their target audience to one that doesn't have immediate access to the internet because of their age.

Problem now the Kids are flooding online entertainment, and we're having an interconnecting cycle I've seen with many things,
I like to call it the "What about the CHILDRAN!?!" effect.

Cycle A:

New Platform/Content/Idea
Platform Grows
Bubble Pops
Platform builds back up
Platform Grows larger than before [Begin Cycle B]
Some idiot inevitably goes too far... (Logan Paul)
Media Flips stuff, citeing "WHATTABOUTDACHILDRAN?!"
Platform Flips stuff, goes overboard, only thinks about DA Childran, forgets over other content.
Disgruntled people grow in size <--- You are here
Eventual Overthrow/Replacement

Cycle B:

Realisation your platform is dying
Start Targeting the Younger Age Groups (Usually for varying reasons, although the CN/Nick situation is the most unique reason yet.)
Age Group continually gets younger.
Find ONE very popular McGuffin-Show
Run that forgeter right into the ground
Panic because your dying platform is dying
Attack, Fund Attacks, or actively attempt to hinder new Platform.
Old platform dies anyway.
Jump Ship to New Platform.

what in the hell do you think the internet has to do with cartoon network you absolute fool
i basically entirely stopped watching TV once i had my own computer. seems to be a similar story for my younger siblings too.

Online Entertainment is better than TV Cartoons.
And CN/Nickelodeon realise this, so they've shifted their target audience to one that doesn't have immediate access to the internet because of their age.

Problem now the Kids are flooding online entertainment, and we're having an interconnecting cycle I've seen with many things,
I like to call it the "What about the CHILDRAN!?!" effect.

Cycle A:

New Platform/Content/Idea
Platform Grows
Bubble Pops
Platform builds back up
Platform Grows larger than before [Begin Cycle B]
Some idiot inevitably goes too far... (Logan Paul)
Media Flips stuff, citeing "WHATTABOUTDACHILDRAN?!"
Platform Flips stuff, goes overboard, only thinks about DA Childran, forgets over other content.
Disgruntled people grow in size <--- You are here
Eventual Overthrow/Replacement

Cycle B:

Realisation your platform is dying
Start Targeting the Younger Age Groups (Usually for varying reasons, although the CN/Nick situation is the most unique reason yet.)
Age Group continually gets younger.
Find ONE very popular McGuffin-Show
Run that forgeter right into the ground
Panic because your dying platform is dying
Attack, Fund Attacks, or actively attempt to hinder new Platform.
Old platform dies anyway.
Jump Ship to New Platform.

can you post normally. just loving once


It's a combination of a lot of things, one of them probably being growing up. I'd list that as the smallest reason, though, because if that were 150% true, then you'd be looking back at cartoons that you watched as a kid and you wouldn't enjoy them. Meanwhile, I'm watching an Ed, Edd n' Eddy live-stream on YouTube and this stuff is loving great. These are episodes I didn't even watch as a kid and it's still good. "Growing up" is not a big factor at all.

What has to be the largest factor is the generational shift. When we were growing up, people like Butch Hartman and Craig McCracken were drawing the shows we were watching, people who grew up in the 70's and 80's, when people were doing crack and loving everyone. If you watch some episodes of the cartoons their generation made, they're not afraid to touch on mature subjects for children's cartoons. There had just been a wave of political correctness in the 90's, so of course they'd go with the more daring choices. Remember the episode of Courage the Cowardly Dog where it was implied there was domestic violence between a cat girl and her dog boyfriend? In fact, Courage the Cowardly Dog is probably the perfect example of the mindset of creators at the time, which was that they were less concerned about "think of the children!!" and more concerned with making something that would last. Concepts such as blood-bending and King Ramses' curse would not exist in modern cartoons. What there was was a plethora of good cartoons, a lot of average ones, and once in a blue moon something that should not have been aired on television. Their biggest mistake was deviating from cartoons into a bunch of live-action stuff that shouldn't've be aired on networks dedicated to cartoons.

A couple decades have passed, and who's making the cartoons now? Millennials are. Millennials are probably the most attacked generation since the baby boomers, and most of the criticism is how they're spineless, or how political correctness is a big thing for them, or how they have no artistic standards, or whatever. To me, some of the criticisms are valid and some are overblown, although the one criticism I agree with the most is of their artistry. You can trace almost all the show creators on Cartoon Network to either CalArts or NYU, and while it wasn't an issue with the McCracken generation (who also came from CalArts with a group of creators), you could definitely say it's a problem with this generation. Even taking a cursory glance at the cartoons on the network, there's no denying that the art style of pretty much every single on of them is identical.

I bring this up again:


The reason this is the case is because CalArts has been teaching their students that this is the easiest way to show character emotion, so that's the style everyone chooses. I'm not lying, either. This face shape is in practically everything. What it's not in nearly as much are older cartoons.

This is my point about this; when I say they have problems with their artistry I'm not saying that their art isn't good. I'm saying it's lazy. Ian Jones-Quartey, who works on pretty much everything at Cartoon Network nowadays, once said, "If you can tell it's the same character, it's on-model." That seems to be the driving philosophy behind a lot of the work they've made because in shows like Steven Universe and OK KO, the art style will sometimes change dramatically in between episodes. This has ended up in what appears to be a chronic illness in Steven Universe's Beach City where it appears everyone is loving shrinking for no reason.


There isn't a lot of experimentation with animation anymore either; if you've seen one way of doing it, chances are you've seen them all. And a lot of them are very stiff and uninteresting. All of this combined has resulted in a lot of mediocre shows and a lot more bad ones.

There are other things I should talk about, but it's 3:30 im the morning. I need to go to bed. I'll finish this tomorrow.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2018, 04:28:14 PM by Tactical Nuke »

i dont care what you say but i honestly liked destroy build destroy
same

what in the hell do you think the internet has to do with cartoon network you absolute fool
are you okay?
you do know the internet kind of affects (almost) everything now.
if it affects politics it sure as hell affects cartoons

cartoon network's really been pushing streaming on their app instead of actually watching their channel lately.

cartoon network's really been pushing streaming on their app instead of actually watching their channel lately.
Because TV is dying

Because TV is dying

tv will never die lol. even if internet accessibility was 100% in the entire world, people would still watch tv.

tv will never die lol. even if internet accessibility was 100% in the entire world, people would still watch tv.
well duh

im pretty sure he meant TV popularity