Author Topic: 8chan Federalizes, Becomes Immortal  (Read 11223 times)

God you're so loving stupid, you literally just advocated for nationalization of these platforms but you're trying to stuff talk me with the anarchocapitalist strawman you've built in your head

They don't have to be public utilities to be held accountable for the abuse of power they display

The current problem is most of these sites skirt the law between publisher and platform and this allows them to do all kinds of forgetery

And lol at the implication that these same companies don't already rule supreme by virtue of the same govt you would support nationalizing them

Clown ass brother, could never be me


God you're so loving stupid, you literally just advocated for nationalization of these platforms but you're trying to stuff talk me with the anarchocapitalist strawman you've built in your head

They don't have to be public utilities to be held accountable for the abuse of power they display

The current problem is most of these sites skirt the law between publisher and platform and this allows them to do all kinds of forgetery
corporations lobby to change laws all the time, all it takes is that some kind of speech makes them no money to remove it from their platform. Which they are doing.

companies run to grow infinitely and make money, this is not in line with the good of the people or the health of public discourse. they can, have and will never act for the consumer, or the worker.
And lol at the implication that these same companies don't already rule supreme by virtue of the same govt you would support nationalizing them
there is no public accountability in a corporation
there is no transparency in a corporation
there is no democratic process in a corporation
there is no consumer protections in a corporation(as long as they are allowed to lobby to change laws)

corporations are a monarchy under their CEO, infinitely worse than a running on a national platform.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2019, 03:21:04 PM by Aide33 »

do you guys realize you are using a lego game forum to argue about politics
its really depressing

Because the gov't is so good at being held accountable by the people

Never ever has a gov't abused power allotted to it that it shouldn't have had in the first place

Im gonna kill myself, this level of autism is prob contagious and I'd rather be dead

Because the gov't is so good at being held accountable by the people

Never ever has a gov't abused power allotted to it that it shouldn't have had in the first place

Im gonna kill myself, this level of autism is prob contagious and I'd rather be dead
because corporations have such a good track record

the argument is which one do you want? a monarchy or a democracy? if you want to keep the structure of a corporation, support worker/consumer unions, enable workplace democracy, but you wont, because you have no idea how democracy works.

I'm not saying a government is perfect, I'm saying a democracy is the best thing we have to control the internet as a public utility, you are saying you don't want them to be a democracy but you want them to act like one(which is unrealistic)

my entire point is that if someone abuses their power, in the government, they can be overthrown. in a corporation, they dont give a stuff, thats why monopolies exist or global warming is a thing, because they only care about profit and cant be removed.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2019, 03:27:18 PM by Aide33 »

Implying you need to have company's be a "democracy" in order to uphold constitutional values like freedom of speech is the most handicapped thing you have ever said on this site

evah

Implying you need to have company's be a "democracy" in order to uphold constitutional values like freedom of speech is the most handicapped thing you have ever said on this site

evah
lol ok keep living under tyranny my dude, you are literally the biggest bootlicker on this website. Even matthew admits that some things need to be nationalized.

this is literally word for word what people said under monarchy in the 1700's before the french revolution. People thought absolute monarchy could exist alongside a democratic state, which is entirely untrue. Constitutional monarchies where a failure and so are monarchies under a CEO.

every word you type on the internet is stored on a server and is virtual memory that the owner of the server pays to host for you. it is legally their property and as a service they can decide whether they want to remove or keep that block of memory that you provided to them. it doesn't have 'freedom of speech' attached because its their property and their choice whether they want to waste memory on their server for people's libertarian rants. virtual memory isn't a form of speech and cannot be protected, much like a pattern of stuff smears isn't speech and can't be protected. both could easily represent speech in the end if you decide to parse it in a certain way, but in its raw form it's not speech and not free.

forcing hosts to keep all typed words forever is not only a huge overstep of government power but it will also cost companies millions of dollars in the future when they want to do a purge of old data or sites, including 20 year old posts and other stuff

in the end there is no mandated freedom of speech on the internet. it's an entirely free market. nobody's being a national socialist you're just being loving entitled. if you want to exercise your freedom of speech get off your gamer chair and go protest in washington where you won't be silenced by the evil liberal hivemind or breach painfully clear EULAs that you willingly agree to abide by despite breaking it and acting surprised in the end
« Last Edit: August 08, 2019, 04:08:03 PM by PhantOS »

I know yall are just arguing out of principle which I can respect but is cloudflare having some level of quality control a horrible thing...? if I secured millions of sites I wouldn't want some of the stuff that goes on in #chan under my service

If all you're providing is a service you aren't enabling anything

It's like saying PSE&G should cut off service to whatever building is hosting 8chan cause they don't wanna be associated with such and so

Maybe if they were performing some artisan craft it'd be different but it's literally not

do you guys realize you are using a lego game forum to argue about politics
its really depressing

No, it's fun because of how little press we get.

do you guys realize you are using a lego game forum to argue about politics
its really depressing




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-homeland-security-committee-subpoenas-8chan-owner/ar-AAFOcWp?ocid=spartandhp#page=2
actual bump that isn't a dumb joke this time for this article

if ur expecting 8chan to come back online i am currently laughing my ass off in all sorts of languages