[news] go vegan will stop amazon fires - cnn

[King Tøny]

apparently cnn and vice and whatever is saying if you eat less meat you'll put an end to amazon fires.

The fact is fruit and vegetable farms destroy as much ecosystems as animal farms do because the fruits and vegetables are GMOs that can only be grown in man made enviornments, cannot grow in wild

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[Ceist]

ok tony. but this is wrong.

[weaver123]

A lot of crops are grown just to feed cows. Soy, which is farmed in Brazil and responsible for some of the fires, is primarily a food source for cattle. Cows eat way more of it than vegans do.

[King Tøny]

Cows eat way more of it than vegans do.

If everyone on the planet went vegan then there would be humans eating vegetables more than cows do.

So what difference does it solve lol

[phflack]

there is a loss of energy at each stage
so plants -> cows -> people has two losses
plants -> people is only one
but it's also a lot less efficient of transportation of energy to the people

curious if it's actually better to grow food near the cows to feed them, and then ship meat to cities
or if it's better to ship plants to the cities

[Deus Ex]

Wouldn't we have to grow even more soy to feed a majority vegan population

Do people not understand the transitive property

[sleep]

there are a thousand more reasons to eat less or completely stop eating meat, since living on my own i have cut out any real meats from my meals except for if im going out dining (keynote: not fastfood), i'm not missing anything.

im amazed theres still people out there that havent tried fake meats

[The Resonte!]

pop culture makes vegetables look bad... it has to be prepared in a tasty way

cows are fed plants for years to be used as a onetime meal for only so many people... skipping the middleman /sounds/ more efficient on paper, though i know nothing of ecology or whatever this is

there's also something about greenhouse gases and cow waste that i don't recall

[Master Matthew²]

Tony is missing the point.

Cutting down on eating beef =/= going vegan, for one.

But also, beef imports were going down.

https://beef2live.com/story-beef-imports-country-2015-vs-2016-0-155400


Exports are down on beef too.
https://beef2live.com/story-beef-exports-country-year-date-0-109756

However, for some reason, we dropped massively in beef trade with australia.While beef imports to.the US are down, brazil's beef exports are up.


Veganism is not the only clear answer. The media only knows how to give extremist solutions to problems.

[Aide33]

Wouldn't we have to grow even more soy to feed a majority vegan population

Do people not understand the transitive property

it still would be less, because the amount of grain you need to feed livestock if you just skip it and feed a human

also a lot less logistics are involved so you use less fossil fules/water/etc.

Tony is missing the point.

Cutting down on eating beef =/= going vegan, for one.

But also, beef imports were going down.

https://beef2live.com/story-beef-imports-country-2015-vs-2016-0-155400


Exports are down on beef too.
https://beef2live.com/story-beef-exports-country-year-date-0-109756

However, for some reason, we dropped massively in beef trade with australia.While beef imports to.the US are down, brazil's beef exports are up.


Veganism is not the only clear answer. The media only knows how to give extremist solutions to problems.

I mean, if the whole world was vegan there would be a lot less problems, it would massively simplify a lot of things.

as for the media, they just keep arbitrarily blaming stuff because they want to shift the blame onto the consumer.

its easier to think you are at fault and you can do something by becoming vegan but this is untrue.

it's an illusion to distract that multinational corporations are the ones creating massive amounts of pollution and deforestation and the only way to fight that is through radical systematic change of the way we produce stuff/regulation.

[Deus Ex]

there are a thousand more reasons to eat less or completely stop eating meat, since living on my own i have cut out any real meats from my meals except for if im going out dining (keynote: not fastfood), i'm not missing anything.

im amazed theres still people out there that havent tried fake meats

Yeah cause I can afford real food

[Aide33]

the best example of radical systematic change was the entire world coming together and banning CFC emissions to save the ozone layer

and it worked

the only way to fight deforestation and climate change is wide sweeping legislation or literally changing how things are produced by again, having all the countries of the world agreeing on certain things they can't do.

no ones gonna save the world by personally not flushing the toilet to waste water or whatever

[sleep]

Yeah cause I can afford real food

you can also eat my entire richard

[Cubone½]

there are a thousand more reasons to eat less or completely stop eating meat, since living on my own i have cut out any real meats from my meals except for if im going out dining (keynote: not fastfood), i'm not missing anything.

im amazed theres still people out there that havent tried fake meats

my diet consists purely of meat and sugar and im Doing Just Fine Baby

[Aide33]

once lab grown meat that taste exactly like normal meat takes off we can say goodbye to the livestock industry and good riddance