Author Topic: Re: 150 year old civil war monument in florida is getting torn down today/tomorr (Read 2630 times)

Unova2 · August 15, 2020, 10:49:25 PM

having beliefs are different from acting on them. and sure, if a fascist starts trying to do something that totally disgusts me, i totally wouldn't mind them dying because they're doing horrible stuff. you're defending people who DID horrible stuff detailed in the above post, and their ideals would later go on to inspire MORE horrible stuff

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cHeEsEpIzZa2 · August 15, 2020, 10:50:12 PM

Quote from: CM1107ProjectInfinium on August 15, 2020, 10:44:43 PM

-snip-

you know what, congratulations, you've convinced me of how easy it is to turn off my brain and just ignore what's ethical, moral, or even sane to further my own political opinion. i just give up. if you can refuse to change your political opinion without consequence, then i can too.

CM1107ProjectInfinium · August 15, 2020, 10:51:20 PM

wonderful now stop shoving this stuff down our throats and be a tribal sensible stuffhead in your own headspace please and thank you

Unova2 · August 15, 2020, 10:51:28 PM

i'm a bastard child. my father isn't on my birth certificate. the only evidence that he ever existed to me is his afro-asian lineage in me. if the confederates won, i physically wouldn't be allowed to talk to you right now due to factors that i could never have controlled

plenty of other people are the same way. with your outlook on this you're saying that people who believe that keeping human beings to do work for you and occasionally rape them are supposed to have monuments built to them and if you don't support this, you're a horrible human being

Gytyyhgfffff · August 15, 2020, 10:51:30 PM

yeah bro because i don't support slave owners that means im an unreasonable richardhead who doesn't listen to logic and facts. what the hell

Mr Queeba · August 15, 2020, 10:54:44 PM

i dont know if im beating a dead horse here but is it even worth arguing with this forgetin kid anymore? its clear hes some thick skulled narcissist that is resistant to people on the internet telling him his views are bad

otto-san · August 15, 2020, 10:56:00 PM

Quote from: cHeEsEpIzZa2 on August 15, 2020, 10:45:36 PM

saying "someone's life doesn't matter because they supported something bad" is dangerously close to "those with opposing beliefs are inhuman"

well firstly, we're not talking about anyone's great great pappy here. we're talking about "confederate soldiers" and "the confederacy" as historical bodies. sure, an isolated death is probably a tragedy to someone, but that's missing the forest for the trees in this conversation. nobody cares about removing the headstone of your old grandpa who died in a war, but giant civil war-era monuments hailing the Historic State Founded to Preserve the White Race or whatever are asking people to remember fondly a body that fought an evil fight. secondly, i would remind you again that wars are fought voluntarily. they chose to give their life to preserve slavery, they were not executed in their homes for thought crimes

Gytyyhgfffff · August 15, 2020, 10:58:47 PM

yeah hard agree with ottosan. while im as anti-confederate as the rest of them id find a hard time finding good reason to deface individual grave sites for like some rando who fought and died to a yankee cannonball

Master Matthew� · August 15, 2020, 11:54:00 PM

Quote from: Conan on August 15, 2020, 09:47:25 PM

how is this obvious? master matthew spouted similar doomsday theories way back when obama was president and literally none of them came to fruition. you're literally somehow a worse master matthew.

And i was right. destroying statues of confederates became destroying statues of founding fathers. Destruction of history vs preservation of history.

Destroying the statue is infinitely worse than taking it down and putting it in a museum.

It may feel good to chop off karl marx's feet and and smash the statue in two. It may feel great to decapitate the national socialist eagle. But when you do this, you destroy physical evidence of these events. This is important. Imagine how much more rampant holocaust deniers would be if the camps had been demolished.

I seriously dont understand how anyone with good intentions could say "lets take down any video on youtube that talks about ww2 national socialists." While claiming to stand against these horrible beliefs.

If you dont want people to have evidence something happened, you enable them to question whether or not it did happen. Video, statue or otherwise.

Unova2 · August 15, 2020, 11:58:08 PM

well, the statue isn't being destroyed. and we have plenty of physical evidence of these events, as well as having the american civil war be a subject in every school, with civil war museums...

Quote from: Master Matthew� on August 15, 2020, 11:54:00 PM

I seriously dont understand how anyone with good intentions could say "lets take down any video on youtube that talks about ww2 national socialists." While claiming to stand against these horrible beliefs.

it's different when said video says that national socialists were good people who died honorably, and you should ignore the fact that they tried to eliminate an entire race from europe and were also mostly rapists and pillagers

Drydess · August 16, 2020, 12:01:24 AM

Quote from: Master Matthew� on August 15, 2020, 11:54:00 PM

And i was right. destroying statues of confederates became destroying statues of founding fathers. Destruction of history vs preservation of history.

Destroying the statue is infinitely worse than taking it down and putting it in a museum.

It may feel good to chop off karl marx's feet and and smash the statue in two. It may feel great to decapitate the national socialist eagle. But when you do this, you destroy physical evidence of these events. This is important. Imagine how much more rampant holocaust deniers would be if the camps had been demolished.

I seriously dont understand how anyone with good intentions could say "lets take down any video on youtube that talks about ww2 national socialists." While claiming to stand against these horrible beliefs.

If you dont want people to have evidence something happened, you enable them to question whether or not it did happen. Video, statue or otherwise.

why do you neglect to take history to a unanimously accepted school textbook but preserve all your respect for history in a memorial? a statue of robert e lee you idolize, but an american history class is an absolute perversion of all that is holy? they aren�t being destroyed, by the by�nearly all have been given to historical societies to be relocated or preserved privately, such that taxpayer dollars aren�t going into the upkeep of antiquated propaganda

Drydess · August 16, 2020, 12:03:59 AM

all im saying here in my posts is that the people adamantly encouraging the respect of all history bear no tangible appreciation for it, and instead sell themselves to be mouthpieces for rich dudes and powerful families. it�s frankly gag worthy that a so called conservative chooses this hill of all they could fight for

Ceist · August 16, 2020, 07:56:45 AM

i laugh everytime a fascist and supremacist dies.

Conan · August 16, 2020, 08:07:12 AM

Quote from: cHeEsEpIzZa2 on August 15, 2020, 10:36:29 PM

of course. a death, no matter what their beliefs were at the time, should be mourned and not taunted. besides, removing history because it offends you only serves to repeat it.

if you cant tell the difference between removing a monument to honor a historical event vs suppressing history, you need more schooling. nobodys saying or implying �dont teach the history of the civil war� but rather �dont put the confederacy on a pedestal�

if you genuinely believe they should get to keep their monument because people died and they should be honored, why arent you vocally supporting anti police/blm protestors to remember those who died due to police brutality/racism? do their lives not matter? is it too much to support them fighting wrongful deaths at the hand of police/tribals, but not too much to support keeping a monument for those who fought to defend slavery?

cHeEsEpIzZa2 · August 16, 2020, 08:22:58 AM

Quote from: Unova2 on August 15, 2020, 11:58:08 PM

well, the statue isn't being destroyed.

you're an idiot lamof