I was quoting your original post. I was not commenting on your response to someone making an attack unrelated to your post.
If you notice, what I instead ask is: I nowhere in that statement said you are not allowed to defend yourself.
Fair enough, moving on.
Israeli leaders have explicitly stated that their goal is to kill all of the Muslim population in Israel.
Israeli parliment member, Nissim Vaturi, was quoted as saying their goal is to "Wipe Gaza off the face of the Earth", which is easily verifiable with a quick google search. Such statements by government offcials has lead other countries to call for the UN to recognize the attempted genocide of the Palestinian people. For Example.
I'm going to be good faith here and actually interpret what you meant but before moving ahead: Around 18% of Israel is Muslim, weird genocide.
You understand that's 1 person out of a 120 member parliament right? Does a single member of congress dictate the absolute views of the USA? Again, if Israel was actually attempting to genocide the Muslim population they sure are doing a lot to try to get them out of the areas they need to bomb.
Oct 7th was an attack intended to kill as many civilians as possible, this was the mission, the only mission. A terror attack.
Because they haven't resorted to nukes? I want to know if that is your actual defense.
Sorry I used the word "glass". I'll replace it here with "rubble"
They have intentionally targeted hospitals. Which is a war crime. They have intentionally destroyed food supplies left by humanitarian organizations. Which is a war crime. They have specifically shot and killed marked members of the press and medical corps. Which is a war crime.
"At least 20 out of 22 hospitals identified by CNN in northern Gaza were damaged or destroyed in the first two months of Israel's war against Hamas, from October 7 to December 7, according to a review of 45 satellite images and around 400 videos from the ground, as well as interviews with doctors, eyewitnesses and humanitarian organizations."
"A hospital can lose its special protected status only if it is used by an armed group for acts that are “harmful to the enemy.” But, even if a hospital loses its special status, the wounded and sick inside are still protected by the principle of proportionality. A warning must be given, and time for safe evacuation, before carrying out an attack."
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/01/middleeast/gaza-hospitals-destruction-investigation-intl-cmd/CNN talking about the tunnel and a video showing hostages taken through the hospital.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/20/middleeast/gaza-tunnel-shaft-al-shifa-hospital-intl-hnk/index.htmlAre they targeting hospitals? I don't know. But Hamas seems to be using them to hide.
IDF discusses the burning of a food truck
"Asked by CNN about the videos, the Israel Defense Forces did not dispute their veracity, location or that IDF soldiers were involved. It condemned the soldiers’ behavior, which it said does not align with its rules, adding that the perpetrators will be punished. "
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/15/middleeast/israeli-soldiers-burningfood-gaza-intl/index.htmlAs for medical and press, you're gonna have to source that.
They have systematically driven the Gazans into smaller and smaller locations, saying oh this next area you are being restricted to is going to be the safe zone, and then less than a week later bomb said safe zone.
Since Oct 7th? Or are you talking about all of history? If it's since Hamas hopped the border with the sole mission of killing as many civilians as they could I'd assume you'd would be able to understand this is a developing situation.
This is not a conflict of Israel vs Hamas. It is Israel vs. the Palestinian people. At least Thirty-Thousand innocent civillians have been killed and over Seventy-One-Thousand greviously injured since this most recent string of attacks against civilians.
As I've said before, I believe many more would be dead if this was a real and intended genocide. You make the bed you lie in.
"Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated."
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514What is Israel supposed to do? They need to eradicate Hamas as they've stated is their goal.
Hamas was not created in a vaccuum. They were created and continue to gain recruits out of the despiration of people who have suffered nearly a hundred years of western-sponsored occupation.
Of course it is wrong to target civillians, and one should not excuse those in Hamas for doing so. However, such talking points are always brought up in response to people pointing out Israeli attrocities. They kidnapped 253 people, in an attempt to use them as leverage for Israel to return the 4400 political prisoners being held, 160 of them being children. Can you justify holding a child as a hostage? Not when Hamas does it? Ok. What about when Israel does it?
You know jewish people started buying land in the 1880s right?
There were problems before the west was involved at all with the Ottoman empire Edit: Not entirely true, Palestinians did start attacks on already established jews in 1917 though after the Balfour Declaration. The ottoman empire already had Jewish people living in it and they did have issues prior to this.
You know they took a 4 year old hostage right? and a 70 year old, from a
music festival.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67477240The Palestinians arrested are literally criminals in many cases. Is it perfect? Probably not at all but to try to compare these two things is a joke. They're not the same at all.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/12/01/palestinian-prisoners-released-israel/71760915007/Do you see no issues with capturing civilians during a terror attack to negotiate as long as there's enough to gain?
It is very convenient how nearly every building in gaza, including medical and food supply depots, every single one, also serves as a munitions stockpile. I wonder how they get all these weapons?
See above.
I nowhere stated that you condone killing civilians.
You told me I was defending genocide.
Again all I asked was:
So I will put it more plain. Are you actually wanting to have a conversation where you will accept evidence against your belief, or are you just trying to raise an argument for the adrenline with no intention of changing because that would take the fun out of arguing?
More automatic bad faith assumptions.
More loaded ass phrases please, we're still missing one. We have "Genocide" and "War Crime" but there's one more you guys are missing.
AKA "i read wikipedia for an hour and became an expert"
https://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=328258.msg10083192#msg10083192forget yourself. More bad faith. Not gonna respond to you I think I've already covered it above.
same bro! I love how they keep targetting civilian infrastructure like hospitals, as well as bombing roads where civilians are trying to flee through while Hamas are mostly in tunnels! IDF rocks!
See above.
Israel: White Phosphorus Used in Gaza, Lebanon
Using white phosphorus isn't a war crime handicap.
"Human Rights Watch also reviewed two videos from October 10 from two locations near the Israel-Lebanon border. Each shows 155mm white phosphorus artillery projectiles being used, apparently as smokescreens, marking, or signaling."
