USA politics destroying families

[von]

who value me as an individual, which republican voters, without fail, do not

see what i mean

i like how you label me as a Annoying Orange guy/republican when, if you bothered to read my previous post, i am not. though at this point it's really not surprising that you will lump anyone to the right of you as all the same people.

you literally know nothing

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[TheScout]

i just think it'd be pretty weird to vote for a convicted rapist, i guess thats just me tho

[Refticus]

reddit is just completely batstuff about anything. dont take it too serious. or better yet. literally dont take anything on reddit serious.

the only good post here

[Foxscotch]

i don't critique conservative echo chambers because they lack critical thinking and social awareness. i thought liberal echo chambers would be at least 10% better but it's not. it's like an identical copy of the radical right except they dye their hair more frequently.

okay. lol

they walk on eggshells around you because they know one wrong opinion will terminate their friendship or send you spiraling into a psychosis

well they don't actually. but alright. if you say so mr forum user

i could be your friend in an alternate universe. i would never treat you differently for your political votes or opinions, i would value your opinion regardless of how much i disagree with it. even right now i harbor no animosity toward you or see you differently for your beliefs.

we are in the middle of a conversation where you're intentionally being inflammatory and presumptuous about my interpersonal relationships because I disagree with you. so I don't believe u really. I wonder if maybe the disconnect here is that you think being superficially polite is what kindness is

however, your belief that you must segregate from people you perceive as 'hating your existence' would worry me immensely.

well let's open this one up to the floor. can we get momentum or thearmyguy or someone to share their thoughts on my gender and then let us know whether they want to hang out with me and all my other gay and transgender friends
it's not clear to me why you edited out about half of that middle part, but I'm not going to delete my responses

I think you misunderstand the situation frankly. I'm not excluding kindhearted people who care about me and want to have a real friendship with me. conservatives don't like me either. and it's not because of my policy views, it's just because I'm weird and I don't act like them. nobody gives a stuff about policy, as a matter of fact conservatives frequently agree with leftist positions when you discuss them without the various buzzwords the RNC rotates through on a monthly basis. but what they emphatically do not want is for me to have access to estradiol, to marry a man, to have the gall to ask that I be referred to by a name that I like. etc. these aren't matters of framing. at best they are woefully propagandized, at worst they truly think their personal Ick Level should determine how other people live their lives. either way that's not my responsibility to correct

the family members and former friends I alluded to in the first post I made in this thread weren't cut off because of their thoughts on taxation or gun rights or whatever bullstuff you're imagining. it was because they think that I should be prevented from doing the things in my personal life that will make me happy. things which, notably, do not have any effect whatsoever on them or anyone else. I'm not interested in having a relationship with someone who can't so much as stop themselves from giving me a dirty look when I mention a romantic partner of mine. I'm just not gonna hang out with people who think my life should be worse because they think it's gross. your misguided insistence that the poor widdle reactionaries just wanna be fwiends isn't going to convince me that I actually shouldn't require that the people I choose to have interpersonal relationships with hold a basic fundamental level of respect for me as an individual

one day maybe I'll meet some of these earnest and well-adjusted republicans you seem to know. but until then I'll probably hold onto my policy of not spending my life with people who believe that I am a symptom of moral decay

i like how you label me as a Annoying Orange guy/republican when, if you bothered to read my previous post, i am not. though at this point it's really not surprising that you will lump anyone to the right of you as all the same people.

is the implication of this post that it should be important to me exactly where you fall on the political compass? like I said, I don't really care what your fiscal policy preferences are in this context, the only thing that matters is how you feel about the other parts, and calling me a "cigarette" does make your position known. so why should I bother with identifying your exact political ideology before writing you off? does it matter whether some random richardhead is a registered republican or a lifelong libertarian?

[Blockomaniac]

I hate where everything has led to since 2016. I wish it would all go back to how things were when it was Obama vs Romney. I was a kid back then, so it's extremely possible that things were as volatile back then and I just didn't notice, but I'm pretty sure people are more divided nowadays.

I'd really like to be fully on PhantOS's side here. I hate the idea of families and friends separating over disagreements or beliefs. But I'll bet most people do too - even the ones whom are doing it. I really can't blame people over it, considering the long track record Annoying Orange has (from even before he was president). It's not just a disagreement, it's basically a betrayal to a lot of people, and how can you really mend that? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's possible to mend a relationship after that, but not everyone is going to try, and that's not wrong of them.

At the end of the day, it's everyone's individual choice on how best to handle their relationships and I don't really have the right to criticize them over it.



This topic hits me because, over the years, I've become a lot more disenchanted with republicans, traditional values, Evangelical/Fundamental/whatever Christianity, etc. Basically my whole worldview lol. I'm more left leaning now, but my parents are still the same. They haven't gotten nasty or overly political over the years, but they still voted for Annoying Orange. I am disappointed with a lot of their beliefs, but I don't think I'd ever want to cut ties with them. They talked me out of Self Delete a few years ago, and yesterday I finally came out to my mom. Nothing has changed between us, and she assured me that it never would. I'm sure she still thinks same love marriage is a sin and all that, but we still accept each other despite differences. She told me she trusted me to make my own decisions, and that I didn't need to worry over if she disagreed with them or not.

I'll have to see where things go these next four years. If my parents vote to ban gay marriage or something, then yeah, I will (unfortunately) think about limiting contact with them, because that is a betrayal. It wouldn't feel good, and I would not want to do it, but I know it wouldn't necessarily be the wrong choice to make either.

[Ladios]

At the end of the day, it's everyone's individual choice on how best to handle their relationships and I don't really have the right to criticize them over it.

Best take imo.
It's kinda weird for people to just assume that we should be ok with friends or family ignoring every concern we have over out safety because they think that milk and eggs will be cheaper (which, like they wont, once we deport all of our farm workers and enforce a 200% price hike after tariffs lol).

I do believe that I have people in my life who legitimately do not understand how harmful Annoying Orange is, and I might still be able to help them realize what is wrong with their support of the orange facist, but there are people who legitimately listen and then say, well it cant possibly be that bad and I am just going to ignore everything you are saying because I might someday make over $100,000,000 a year and would have to pay more taxes under Harris. It totally is on a case by case basis, but its also funny to me how butthurt people are acting when we set a boundary.

Conservatives don't like being told that they did something that will legitimately hurt people because then they have to confront whether they actually care about other people, and if they do then they have to admit they were wrong, which can be tough. In other spaces I am much more willing to have actual discussions about it but with idiots like Momentum on here, they are absolutely gleeful about the 88% of americans who are not straight-white-cis-male-christians having their rights trampled,so I dont see much point in anything but getting some catharsis out of these threads by trolling lol

[Blockomaniac]

It's kinda weird for people to just assume that we should be ok with friends or family ignoring every concern we have over out safety because they think that milk and eggs will be cheaper (which, like they wont, once we deport all of our farm workers and enforce a 200% price hike after tariffs lol).

Yeah, if someone wants to go low/no contact with a loved one over a disagreement that matters a lot to them, I don't want to act like those feelings are somehow invalid (even if the idea of a family breaking apart is a sad one).

I know I'm basically just repeating what I said in my earlier post lol, but the point of this reply is that I wanted to stress that I don't think PhantOS is a bad person, or foolish, or anything like that. I don't know them personally, but I imagine they're seeing a tough situation happening on a large scale, and are disturbed by it. That's pretty normal. They want to prevent it somehow, which is also normal. But we can't act like peoples' decisions aren't valid. This isn't about petty disagreements anymore, it's women's rights, mass deportation, huge tariffs, etc. There will be divide because that's life, and it does suck.

[XR-7]

I like this post because I'm pretty much the same.

I grew up very Christian conservative in a sheltered household (anyone who remembers me from 2012 saw the outcome), but even back in 2016, I thought my family was better than to support DJT considering he's a buffoon who scoffs at their beliefs. I feel good about myself having never cast a vote for him.

That being said, I live in a fiery red state (and there's no doubt whatsoever that it's a lot cheaper and easier to live here as a straight, white man) and tend to be surrounded by hyper-conservative people. I'm even engaged to one. I grew up in that life and feel uncomfortable outside of it. My best friend's new wife is the same way and we were seeing eye to eye in this election cycle and were having conversations with our SO's. She conceded to my friend and voted for DJT, but only if my friend voted Yes on our abortion bill. I was less successful at swinging my fiancee in that way, but I flaunted at her that I voted Yes and we had a discussion about it where she seems more open to the idea. Either way, while DJT easily won our state, the state also passed the abortion amendment even though we made it illegal last time. Maybe tides are turning in a more favorable direction. But maybe we'll also flipflop for years to come. Personally, I'm vehemently opposed to abortion except for rape and life-or-death situations, but I stopped feeling good about making that choice for other people as I made my way through adulthood after seeing all the women that are being harmed.

I honestly thought the Republicans shot themselves in the foot by making DJT their candidate, especially after Biden dropped from the race. I couldn't have been more wrong 

[mod-man]

dude all these white folks out here complaining about the Great Replacement and an end to white people in america because some companies indepenently created diversity consultation boards arent delusional?

the white replacement theory exists because of the european refugee crCIA. a bunch of brown men appeared in white countries for no explainable reason other than "war times and they're suffering". they did not assimilate, they molested a bunch of white women, cut the heads off of white men, and burned down our churches. the media and people like you bastardized us for even considering this as an explanation. it got so bad that a white man went and ventilated an entire mosque of people. even i knew that was going to happen in 2016 when the mass molestation happened, and the shooting happened in 2019, which means all the people in power in europe DEFINITELY knew that was going to happen, and they let it happen anyway.

what they did to europe is what they intend to do to every country that is white. why? i don't know, but thats the problem, and i wish we could talk about it.

you have an unnatural hatred or dislike for white people, and that's why you lost. you are a nasty person for having the hatred you do. you have got to let that go if you ever want to win support. i said this in another thread. you, and by you i mean your entire mentality and party, are unrelatable, and if EVER there was conflict to break out in this country, its because you and people like you refuse, or are just simple incapable, of seeing what we see.

[ultimamax]

if you had a child who wanted to voted for Annoying Orange, would you kick them out?
your social life is an echo chamber of your own design. are you really so fragile and insecure about your opinions that you must isolate from everyone that disagrees with you?

if you're so proud of who you are, why are people's opinions allowed to undermine you to the point where you must cut them out of your life? it's almost as if you're afraid that what they're saying is true, and you're subconsciously terrified of the truth.

you're like those bullies in high school drama movies that always surrounds themselves with a clique of subservient underlings who are always there to validate their stuffty opinions. the common themes in these movies is that the bully's friends usually realize that their friendship is superficial and betray the bully, learning that being themselves is more important than validating someone's insecure narrative.
so much for the tolerant left

this is a lot of assumptions about somebody you don't actually know outside of the internet. i agree with the general spirit that cutting off family/friends should be a last resort but there are plenty of legit reasons to do it and foxscotch's boundaries are completely reasonable

[mod-man]

this is a lot of assumptions about somebody you don't actually know outside of the internet. i agree with the general spirit that cutting off family/friends should be a last resort but there are plenty of legit reasons to do it and foxscotch's boundaries are completely reasonable

see this is the difference in our mentalities. mother, father, sister and brother, these people are our blood and we love them. my mother and father disagree with me completely. absolutely. they would rather side with the people i'm arguing with in this thread. but they're my mom and dad. i love them and they love me. they would never dare cut me off just because i disagree, and thats why i believe this dystopian stuff you guys are worried about just simply isn't going to happen. i love my mom and dad and i know they love me. if you are seriously cutting off family members because of political beliefs... i guess i genuinely dont know what to say to that.

[ultimamax]

see this is the difference in our mentalities. mother, father, sister and brother, these people are our blood and we love them. my mother and father disagree with me completely. absolutely. they would rather side with the people i'm arguing with in this thread. but they're my mom and dad. i love them and they love me. they would never dare cut me off just because i disagree, and thats why i believe this dystopian stuff you guys are worried about just simply isn't going to happen. i love my mom and dad and i know they love me. if you are seriously cutting off family members because of political beliefs... i guess i genuinely dont know what to say to that.

like phantos i think you're just acting overfamiliar with the situation, probably because you just don't like foxscotch. their boundaries are perfectly reasonable. they didn't say they had cut off anyone in their immediate family

[mod-man]

like phantos i think you're just acting overfamiliar with the situation, probably because you just don't like foxscotch. their boundaries are perfectly reasonable. they didn't say they had cut off anyone in their immediate family

you might be right cause i disagree with foxscotch, but i know my parents would agree with foxscotch, and they just dont even bring up anything with me because its not worth it. i called them the other day expecting them to ask me who i voted for (cause everyone did) and instead they just asked me how i was and what i was doing that day. why not that? why are people trying to have schisms with their family about this? no one is going to support you dying. just have good connections with your people. don't make them feel guilty or any way because of anything. just make sure they are okay and they will make sure you are okay.

[ultimamax]

you might be right cause i disagree with foxscotch, but i know my parents would agree with foxscotch, and they just dont even bring up anything with me because its not worth it. i called them the other day expecting them to ask me who i voted for (cause everyone did) and instead they just asked me how i was and what i was doing that day. why not that? why are people trying to have schisms with their family about this? no one is going to support you dying. just have good connections with your people. don't make them feel guilty or any way because of anything. just make sure they are okay and they will make sure you are okay.

the reason you find this easy might be because you and your parents are both relatively privileged people and another 4 years of Annoying Orange won't necessarily make a strong difference in any of your lives. i am seeing many of the trans people i know prepare to move states/go stealth/access grey market HRT. women i know are looking into getting IUDs or hysterectomys or moving states

[Masterlegodude]

if you are seriously cutting off family members because of political beliefs... i guess i genuinely dont know what to say to that.

It's not about political beliefs, it's about what voting for, supporting, or even just feeling "meh", about the 35 times convicted felon as the U.S. president will do to all non-cis, straight, white, rich men over the course of the next 4 years

This can also have lasting effects on other countries too, mind you, so whatever stupid mistakes the U.S. makes, other countries are likely to suffer the falloff of in some way