Is there life after death?

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My god (no pun intended) IBanZ! I've been reading some of the thing's he's been saying, and all I can say is this:

Do you realize that what you're saying can't be proven? You continually discredit anything anyone suggests in such a harsh term!  Did it ever occur to you that there is possibility? Did it ever occur to you that for all we know there just may be that 'God' person, and though heaven and hell might not exist (they may do), there are other alternatives? But no, you constantly come in with this emo-atheist perspective all whiny: "why can't you guys just grasp the fact that there's nothing after death" oh well boo-hoo tickle me emo, go listen to some MCR. Now I my self am an agnostic, hell you could even go so far as say an atheist, but whether or not I believe in God is one thing, the fact that I like to open my horizons a little at the chance of something better than just 'death' is not only a comforting thing, but because it's pretty neat to listen to others opinions and theories. But you and your close minded bitching are constantly attacking people's idea's. Ok, we've heard what you have to say, but that doesn't mean that's the only thing there is about it. Now why don't you just shut the forget up and go cut yourself somewhere else. You're idea has been said, we thank you for it, now leave.   
You're being idiotic.  You are criticizing someone for something and turning around and doing it yourself and they very fact that because he is taking a logical standpoint on the matter makes him "emo" is disgusting.  It was a little pompous to ask why everyone couldn't grasp it, but your retort was unnecessary.  Also, you are either agnostic or atheist, there is no gray area.

Now, aside from that and more on topic, when I am thinking or someone is asking me about what I believe, it makes sense to me that it would be just like before you were born and Muzzle Fever put it well (which was completely skipped over) when he said that you are not going to be aware that you're dead anyways.  You won't exist.

And a side note, everyone who thinks they are an atheist and doesn't know anything about religion is just another punk kid.  You have to know what you don't believe in to hold any credence in what you are talking about.  This isn't aimed at anyone, I just thought I should throw it out there for any of the kids who claim to be an atheist because of the reasons Swholli listed (emo music, emo lifestyle, etc)  If you are an atheist simply because you are an emo or some other stupid stuff, then you really need to take a look at your life and realize how much of a jackass you are.  Atheism takes serious thought and dedication to be taken seriously by other people and it is little emo richardheads that ruin it for the rest of us.  /soapbox
« Last Edit: August 05, 2008, 11:59:58 AM by Liquid Snake »

it has to do with everything, It basically says that there is no defiant solution to any problem and that all reality co-exist at any one point in time. The problem is that only one reality is found upon measurement of this paradox(seeing hearing taste touch smell ect). The thing is that the measurement that we are using says that there is no god/creator. Just the existance of this info says that there is no god because he would just create 1 reality.

Ahg, that's not what I was saying at all! It was the fact that IBanZ kept coming in with the same line: "Why can't you grasp there is no life after death" for ever single idea!

I myself have read the bible. I've read the old testament in said bible, so therefore have read the Tanakh. I have every right to discredit every thing that was said in that book.

What I wasn't doing was accusing him of being emo just so I could say he was atheist, yes I too am angered by the people who claim to be so, but have never set a foot in church, or haven't even read the bible. But what I was getting at, was his close minded depressing pompous statements were so annoying, even if they were logical, he kept using the same logic over and over again! So you tell me how I wasn't to become slightly annoyed by this? Let people discuss what they feel like discussing, don't simply come in as if you're all knowing.

it has to do with everything, It basically says that there is no defiant solution to any problem and that all reality co-exist at any one point in time. The problem is that only one reality is found upon measurement of this paradox(seeing hearing taste touch smell ect). The thing is that the measurement that we are using says that there is no god/creator. Just the existance of this info says that there is no god because he would just create 1 reality.

It makes sense but what you're saying is so vague, how do you know god didn't create a multiverse? How does anyone know?

I do agree that he was being a bit pompous, but I guess I read your reply to that in the wrong tone.  lol

Yeah, it happens :D

Friends? ...lol

he is omniscience, why the forget would you create something already knowing what would happen if not to just forget around with it. And not even the creator of the equation that lead to the knowing of the measurement problem could understand the reality of it. Now I say we derail this topic and get about our lives as happy non caring starfishs.

Though I agree with the last statement, for some reason I find it fun to argue.

Anyway, quantum physics is a very ify subject. We do have theories, but what you posted simply was one. Until we get a microscope that can look that far into the microscopic world (which as far as i know we haven't yet) then we'll truly be able to understand it. But the mear notion that it is there is undeniable proof there is no god, but some pretty damn good proof.

And what are they going to use to back that up? The peanut butter again? Didn't work the first time, won't work this time. 


(if you didn't get the joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq1HOxwFZCY)

Also, just another random thing, I do believe in instilling the morals of The Bible in children when they are young, but I think it's a bit unfair to them to instill the presence of a God.  Though it would probably take a change in our society to do, I wish we could separate the morals of The Bible from the actual religion and be able to let the children choose for themselves when they reach the age to make that kind of decision and not being afraid of exposing them to a whole array of different thoughts and ideas and have true religious freedom.

Ahg, that's not what I was saying at all! It was the fact that IBanZ kept coming in with the same line: "Why can't you grasp there is no life after death" for ever single idea!
My name is Iban. Why can't you grasp that my name is Iban

Also, unless I am suffering from amnesia, I only iterated that particular line once.

I myself have read the bible. I've read the old testament in said bible, so therefore have read the Tanakh. I have every right to discredit every thing that was said in that book.
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What I wasn't doing was accusing him of being emo just so I could say he was atheist, yes I too am angered by the people who claim to be so, but have never set a foot in church, or haven't even read the bible. But what I was getting at, was his close minded depressing pompous statements were so annoying, even if they were logical, he kept using the same logic over and over again! So you tell me how I wasn't to become slightly annoyed by this? Let people discuss what they feel like discussing, don't simply come in as if you're all knowing.
Emo =/= Atheists. Albert Einstein, in his later letters, hinted at his disbelieve in a higher being. However, he didn't have jet black hair and cry about how life doesn't dish out favorable cards.

I have set foot in a church. In fact, the last time I went to a church was a couple of months ago to hear my grandmother sing, as she was ever so proud of her spot on the quire. When I went, my mother and I were bombarded with pamphlets requesting donations. This did not help my opinion of the church. Also, I was born and raised a Catholic. I'm also baptized. I have attended church every Sunday for a vast period of my life. I even read areas of the bible that my debate rivals tell me to read so I can get a more informed opinion. None of this has changed my ideology that the bible is bullstuff. My mind is an open book, however. I do not sit here and fortify by receptors with cast iron. No, what I do do is comprehend what I read and make decisions on my own two feet. I am biased towards Science, and that is all.

And my points were not all the same. Just because I used the same logical process to obtain what I say does not mean that what I said was identical. You see, in each one of my posts what i stated was based off what I know and what I can assume. I know that when you die you begin to decompose and I know that the destruction of the brain ends all thought and signs of life. With this, I can easily, and logically, assume that after you die and after your brain and body are destroyed, there is nothing left.

The only reason you are annoyed is because logic and reasoning is a holy man's cryptonite. It stings at your very soul when you have to rationalize for your god. Just so you don't need to think about your surroundings and actualize the reality of hard questions like "What happens when you die?" and "Why won't god heal amputees?" you will stand up for nonsensical ideologies in order to rest comfortably in sheer bliss. I would never want to be you because I would never want to be so blind.

And I never said "omg u guis shuttup!!! u all think wrong things!", I clearly stated what I believe and what for and allowed everyone (including you) to pitch in your 2 cents. I speak with knowledge and confidence, not with omnipresence. If I am, for any reason, incorrect, cite your sources and I will review what I understand as fact. I am an open, yet critical, book. Write upon me if you dare.

it has to do with everything, It basically says that there is no defiant solution to any problem and that all reality co-exist at any one point in time. The problem is that only one reality is found upon measurement of this paradox(seeing hearing taste touch smell ect). The thing is that the measurement that we are using says that there is no god/creator. Just the existance of this info says that there is no god because he would just create 1 reality.
It makes sense but what you're saying is so vague, how do you know god didn't create a multiverse? How does anyone know?
You're right. No one knows. However, a lot of people are trying not to rationalize the unknown with fairy tales and silly archaic moral guidelines written 2,000 years ago.

Ah, I'd like to point out one thing you said that was probably the only thing that shouldn't have been said.

"I am biased towards Science, and that is all."

When looking at the world around us, you shouldn't be biased by anything. You contradict yourself by later saying you agree with me that no one knows. If no one knows, why be biased towards something. That further proves when I accused you of being closed minded. So maybe the emo thing was taken a little too far, but I was ticked. Sue me.

No, you didn't actually allow everyone's two cents in because as soon as they said something you'd use (this time a different version) of the same logic to discredit what they said. You even did so to my post.

And lastly, the whole not attended church thing wasn't aimed at you. You seem intelligent enough to have denied something with a reason rather than in blind ignorance.

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The only reason you are annoyed is because logic and reasoning is a holy man's cryptonite. It stings at your very soul when you have to rationalize for your god. Just so you don't need to think about your surroundings and actualize the reality of hard questions like "What happens when you die?" and "Why won't god heal amputees?" you will stand up for nonsensical ideologies in order to rest comfortably in sheer bliss. I would never want to be you because I would never want to be so blind.

Woah ho ho! Wait a second. I did not read that part thoroughly. Do NOT accuse me of being anything religious. I can't stand religion. Countless wars in god's name, the forced nature of Christan's attempting to convert everyone, the massive amount of people who always say: "you do believe in god?" whenever I mention I'm atheist, the fact that they're either scared into it or born into it, no. No no no. Not me.

The only thing I'll credit religion with is like what Liquid Snake said: "their morals" nothing more nothing less. We should be good people, end of story. No need to throw in all that higher power bull stuff.

« Last Edit: August 05, 2008, 12:39:36 PM by Swholli »


Ah, I'd like to point out one thing you said that was probably the only thing that shouldn't have been said.

"I am biased towards Science, and that is all."
That was an oxymoron. Science is an unbiased perception of the universe based on presented facts.

When looking at the world around us, you should be biased by anything. You contradict yourself by later saying you agree with me that no one knows. If no one knows, why be biased towards something. That further proves when I accused you of being closed minded. So maybe the emo thing was taken a little too far, but I was ticked. Sue me.
Using that logic you should not be allowed to use the bible as a Science textbook. If I ever see you utter a phrase of the Bible to defend you in future posts, I will be sure to quote this paragraph for contradiction.

No, you didn't actually allow everyone's two cents in because as soon as they said something you'd use (this time a different version) of the same logic to discredit what they said. You even did so to my post.
That is the entire purpose of a debate. This is a forum, so I cannot interrupt like a certain Bill O'Reily would. It is like a turn based RPG; You swing your sword, I swing mine. I responded to everyone equally. I responded to everyone in a fairly respectful manner. I did not flame, but instead held my breath and typed out an educated response. If this is considered lowly to you, I don't think you should be holding your neck out.

And lastly, the whole not attended church thing wasn't aimed at you. You seem intelligent enough to have denied something with a reason rather than in blind ignorance.
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I would like to point out that you only took a stab at the weak points of my argument. You based more than half of your post off a single sarcastic line, which really shows you're grabbing at straws in order to still maintain a threshold in this conversation without looking foolish*. If you really wish to represent yourself well, please go back to my last post and respond to the large gaps you skipped over.



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« Last Edit: August 05, 2008, 12:39:42 PM by IbanZ »

Do any of you guys beleive in Destiney?

Do any of you guys beleive in Destiney?
Believe.
Destiny.

Hurrrr.

And, I used to. I used to have something against Abortion at one point. I considered what would happen if abortion knocked out some of the famous figures that we based our entire reality off of today. But, I thought about it.

If destiny exists, it would be destiny for those children to be aborted. Any people predestined to become famous and successful will, undoubtedly, become famous and successful.

It is silly to ponder over Destiny. If destiny is real, everything around us is meant to happen. Go about your life and do as you normally would. After all, it's destiny.

My name is Iban. Why can't you grasp that my name is Iban

Possibly because you decided to name yourself IbanZ on the forums, Asswipe. Why can't you grasp the idea that people call you what you name yourself?

Edit: I'm going to sit this one out. You guys know where I stand. If anyone has something they believe in, you can't help but to rub stuff all over it.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2008, 12:46:27 PM by Bones4 »