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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

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The mutations in the fruit flies never yielded any evolutionary advances because there was no deciding environmental factor to kill of the "lesser" variations inherent in each generation.

I see the path of each species as a branch on a tree, with each generation a whole collection of new smaller branches are created. Most will have tiny differences (like being slightly larger or stronger) and a select few will have large differences in their appearance and abilities. With time only a few of these many branches continue on and survive to reproduce.

Perhaps we are disagreeing on what constitutes a mutation. To me, every new member of a species has a new mutation. None are exactly like their parents. The differences may be small, perhaps too small for us to detect, but they are there. It is over time that we see underlying benefits of certain traits (extra height, strength, speed, endurance etc) emerge.

If you believe a mutation to be just a fluke that occurs a couple of times per generation then, yes, that wouldn't drive the evolution of a species. If, however, you choose to see every infant born as a mutation, then the logic behind the natural selection theory becomes much clearer.

On "truth": The truth is subjective. You can choose what to believe and you can pick and choose the facts you wish to back up your claim. Neither religion, nor science can be proven "true" because the truth is not objective. What we perceive as "right and wrong" would be better considered as a metaphorical scale. Each person weighs the scale to match his/her own belief.

In some ways this makes debates like this pointless but the continual questioning of what we hold to be true is part of the system that allows personal freedoms to exist. Were we all to accept the words of a scientist or priest without skepticism, we would be no better off than sheep. By always seeking answers, we can help prevent others from taking advantage of our naivety.


The kernel sanders came first :D

Reactor, you made some very good points and I will take those into consideration. It was a good argument, but I'm going to stop replying to stop this from turning into more of a religious war than what it all ready is.

Your fault it started in the first place

Key words bold'd. "Certain coincidental instances" sounds like anecdotal evidence to me. Since you can't prove or disprove the belief in a god, you must therefore chose the next best thing, following the logical conclusion.

Well, first of all I kind of put those there on purpose. If I said we could prove without a doubt that god influenced the flow of time and that he DOES exist, I would be lying. Considering I said "No one can prove if he did or did exist." At least, I'm pretty sure I said that. Hmm.

/end explanation

I still say the chicken came first. .__.

EDIT: Yus... I said "pix or it didn't happen" Meaning if I said we could prove without a considerable doubt god exists we'd have pix which we don't. .__. Still though there is both reason to believe and reason to not believe in god.

EDIT2: *Sigh* Wish I wouldn't have helped feed the argument. Oh well. Don't want to delete my post now.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2008, 11:00:50 PM by Mateo »



Science isn't always 100% correct (As stated in my responce to Carbon Dating). Another example would be our solar system. It had been proven with the science of that time that everything revolved around the earth. Then some scientists said that it was the earth that rotated around the sun. Their ideas were rejected and said that science proves them wrong, but then in the end, their ideas were proven to be true. So in a way, you are both correct and incorrect about science.

Defined science is ALWAYS Correct, theoretical science is THEORETICAL.

Thorax.
The bible has no validity, you can't use it in science, and you can't prove anything with it.

Creationism is a physical impossibility, and you're being herded around by a book. If you can prove the Bible has validity, then I'll bow down, but ANYONE CAN WRITE A GODDAMNED BOOK, SO UNTIL YOU PROVE THAT SOME NUT IN A CAVE DIDN'T WRITE IT AND YOUR GOD DID, SHUT THE forget UP.

I myself am Christian-Agnostic. I think there's a god. The problem being is that handicaps like you seem to think that a god is incapable of creating a super-complex universe based on the science it created. You have no argument, this thread is over.

If it was the chicken where did it come from?
If it was the egg where did it come from?
If it was something else where did it come from?

Duh
The egg came from some type of chicken like creature.

If it was the chicken where did it come from?
Based on the theory of "Creationism" it was spontaneously created.
Based on science, it came from an egg.

If it was the egg where did it come from?
Based on "Creationism" there was never an egg.
Based on science, a creature similar to that of the chicken laid the egg. The chicken is the evolution of that creature.

If it was something else where did it come from?
What.

The egg.
Because breakfast comes before lunch :D

Which came first, the cat or the cat tallow biscuits[12] ?

I hope you are kidding...
it is all part of the mind
none of it is real
for we should have higher tech than we do :/
so...
the chicken


Which came first, the cat or the cat tallow biscuits[12] ?
depends on world gen params