Chicken or the egg?

[[GSF]Ghost]

Why couldn't He? God, being all powerful, isn't bound to logic or physics.

Physics no, but logic he is bound to because God can't contradict himself; i.e. the logical law of non-contradiction: God can't be good and evil. As soon as we try to figure God out we are limiting Him because we have the need to isolate in order to learn. Thus, we have logic as an offering of absolutes to gain a better understanding of God's intent and Objectivity.

In my opinion, feel free to refute, the meaning of life and the purpose of meaning is to humble ourselves before possibility (which means don't hold to biases, even Christian biases) so that truth prevails in our lives and thus we live accordingly to demonstrate our commitment to reason. Logic is a gift from God to differentiate between truth (which originates from God because he is truth) and fallacies. Don't stagnate in biases of what sounds logical to us, be open / neutral to all presented ideas; you can still  believe something but don't accept it whole-heartily unless you are sure it is right - you can tell it is right because it changes you over time into a moral creation.

Here's an argument you thick-skulled idiots never think about:
What if god created evolution? It makes perfect sense. He based everything on science, he 'invented' science, so why is it not possible he 'invented' evolution?

What would His need be to invent evolution? Also evolution is not science because science is what can be observed, tested, and repeated. We have never observed evolution, nor have we repeated it. We have tested it, but the experiments don't offer proof, just more assumption.

Because someone believes in evolution it means that person isn't christian?That my friend is bullstuff. It is essentially an opinion that contradicts some Christianity beliefs, but not all of them. This is what I mean with the perception of either it's everything or nothing. If you don't believe in absolutely everything like the other guy, then sorry buddy but you're excommunicated, bull-loving-stuff.

There must be logic behind Christian ideals otherwise there is no truth to them, and evolution not only offers polar opposites to many of our ideals, but it conflicts with the core of Christianity. Evolution devalues humanity because we are not greater than our ancestors, just more efficiently adapted. And through carbon dating which supports evolution (but is flawed because the release of carbon is not constant - nothing physical is), viruses have been found on fossils before the time of Adam and Eve, which means suffering would have existed prior to mankind's fall. If God had punishment brewing millions of years before we chose disobedience of perfection, then we never really had a choice. Even though God knew what Adam and Eve would choose, God must still offer them a choice or he would contradict Himself. Plus, through research I have found that Creationism is much more logical and supported then evolution. We can't disprove evolution, but we can falsify it. First off, there has never been a recorded successful mutation, only mutations that reuse information. Secondly, we have never seen one species become another. Thirdly, only living things come from living things, and the primordial soup has not been recreated yet. And Fourthly, there is no need for macro-evolution when micro-evolution (different kinds of one species, i.e. different kinds of dogs) has been proven scientifically sufficient for adaptation.

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Thank you. That's what I was trying to get accross, but I'm not the best and putting my thoughts into words. And "logic" was the wrong words and not what I was looking for.

Here's an argument you thick-skulled idiots never think about:
What if god created evolution? It makes perfect sense. He based everything on science, he 'invented' science, so why is it not possible he 'invented' evolution?

This was bugging me a whole lot. It doesn't make perfect sense. In the bible, God said that he created he created everything in days. This is referring to literal days, backed up with the words "evening and moring".

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
 2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

 3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

 6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

 9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

 11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

 20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

 24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

 27 So God created man in his own image,
       in the image of God he created him;
       male and female he created them.

 28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

 29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

 31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Not to mension that the largest problem with yuki's argument is that for evolution to work, you need death. The Bible teaches that death was introduced into the perfect world as a result of Adam’s sin. Human and animal death existed until this event—both humans and animals were originally vegetarian (Genesis 1:29–30 shows that plants are not living creatures, as land and sea creatures, birds, and people are). The original world that God created was death-free, and so evolution could not have occurred before humans were created.

[TapeDeck]

Hey guys, there are two different kinds of evolution, but your teachers don't bother telling you that.

MICRO evolution - different beak sizes in finches. Note: they are still finches.

MACRO evolution - monkey to man bullstuff

[yuki]

In the bible

This is where your argument lost credibility.

[Gamefandan]

This is where your argument lost credibility.

Qft.